Mar. 16, 2008 at 12:10am
Stadium District is likely the most improved neighborhood in the city in the last 5 - 10 years IMO.
Pat Nagle's Harmon Hub won't open by St. Patrick's day. His new goal is to open by March 31, 2008. Grand Opening 4/4/2008.
On Saturday, he had a full crew working away on the remodel:
There is a huge pizza oven that has been installed as well which weighs a ton.
SignageTacoma neon artist Kevin Russell, currently working for Seattle's Tube Art, is designing the sign, which will feature an arrow pointing to the restaurant's Tacoma Avenue entrance. (From Ed's Diner)
Pat Nagle on PSP
I too enjoy PSP; Since my office is next door, i eat there at least a couple times per week. We take clients there and tell everyone how wonderful it is. The Hub's menu will be different enough from PSP and will only add to the mix of wondeful establishments that make up the St Helens and Stadium districts. We will do breakfast only on the weekends and that will start on Mother's Day. Thanks for all of the comments and encouragement. Pat
(Apparently from Pat Nagle via Ed's Diner)Prior posts on the Harmon:
A retired Tacoma postman has adamantly told me at least three times that the address listed by Harmon Hub of 203 Tacoma Avenue South cannot be correct. My response: people will find the Hub regardless.
Tacoma Awaits. 15 more days and counting.
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by intacoma on 3/16/2008 @ 4:07am
|I think 6th ave has gone through more, crownbar, masa, asado, redhot, that wineplace, urban gourmet, etc etc
by izenmania on 3/16/2008 @ 9:19am
|Careful inspection of the first photo indicates an address of 203...|
by Jake on 3/16/2008 @ 9:45am
|When you look at the actual Stadium District (mixed-use center) not much has gone on for it being considered such a popular area. The St. Helens Neighborhood has been much more action packed.
I can see why the postman would say the 203 Tacoma Ave can't happen. It looks like it should actually be addressed as Court D. The building doesn't front Tacoma Ave at all. But the city does have it addressed as Tacoma Ave.
by Erik on 3/16/2008 @ 11:43am
|I can see why the postman would say the 203 Tacoma Ave can't happen.
Far be it for me to explain it to you. Come to Frost Park this Friday and hear it from the retired mail carrier as to why.
The St. Helens Neighborhood has been much more action packed.
The two often blur in my mind.
by jenyum on 3/16/2008 @ 3:34pm
|I put Stadium (proper) and St Helens both within "Stadium Area Neighborhoods." I think we have a tendency to split our neighborhoods down into teeny tiny segments and make it much harder to explain to people where things are. It's quite walkable from Stadium, to all intents and purposes I'll call it that, when describing it broadly.|
by Erik on 3/16/2008 @ 3:43pm
|I think we have a tendency to split our neighborhoods down into teeny tiny segments and make it much harder to explain to people where things are. It's quite walkable from Stadium, to all intents and purposes I'll call it that, when describing it broadly.|
Yes, an ongoing conversation.
Technically, there is no St. Helens business district, there is only a Stadium Business District. So in that sense, it is "Stadium."
As for the neighborhood, this is really the New Tacoma Neighborhood. Yet, commonly referred to as Stadium.
St. Helen's neighborhood appears only to be used as a general reference for an area rather than a recognized neighborhood, businesses district or mixed use center,
by Jake on 3/16/2008 @ 5:02pm
|Erik that map is a Neighborhood Council Area map and never should be confused with acutual neighborhoods.|
by Erik on 3/16/2008 @ 7:10pm
|Erik that map is a Neighborhood Council Area map and never should be confused with actual neighborhoods.
Perhaps. But that makes it ever more nebulous.
by jcbetty on 3/16/2008 @ 7:20pm
|Whyzit gotta be so con-fuuuuuuuuuuu-zing? Why are "neighborhood councils" different from "actual neighborhoods?" Is it a real estate conspiracy to keep us all hopelessly stupid and confused? Personally, I like to think I live in Tacoma. Only, I don't, I'm a West End-er, and the fact that my kid goes to a North End School does not necessarily mean that her school is in Proctor, though the area is technically considered (by real estate agents) to be Proctor... But technically, it's, like, 4 minutes from the West End, so is it a North west-end proctor-styled neighborhood? Or do we just create a name, like, "seminary district?" and call it good?
--again. so confusing. silly-confusing.
by jenyum on 3/16/2008 @ 7:35pm
|I am in an ongoing process of making my own Tacomamaland neighborhood maps.
If you check out the Stadium District guide front page, there's one of "Stadium Area Neighborhoods." Park your mouse on one of the shaded areas and it will tell you which sub-neighborhood you're looking at.
To create these, I'm using a PDF of an official city neighborhood map created in the 80s, the advice of local friends, and lots of feedback from the community. If you want to talk about which neighborhood should be called what, I'm looking for feedback in this thread.
It's produced lots of interesting ideas, I think I'm going to go ahead and run with the "Midtown" suggestion, since everyone seems to like it.
JCBetty: I'm having a hard time with the West End, which is very confusing. I'd love to hear your thoughts as well as from other people who live in the area. Your kids school I have put in "Proctor Area Neighborhoods" with the actual sub-neighborhood name being something different.
There are all sorts of interesting factors and I'm not really trying to do it all on my own, I'd love to get some more input.
by jcbetty on 3/16/2008 @ 8:31pm
|I wish I could help, but I know no more than my neighbors and co-parent, who seem to know butkis. I think my whole point is that we're all kinda' oblivious as to our sub-hoods; I suspect other 'hoods are told (by realtors and neighbors) that their names might be other than those mapped, they may even be told that their 'hood *has* a name... So....what? How does it all get sorted out? Who decides? Realtors? bloggers? council mappers??
The more we know, the more we can know, in my opinion...
by jenyum on 3/16/2008 @ 8:40pm
|Apparently the official deciders are the planning commission, and there is some very long drawn out process that does the official deciding... However, we can unofficially call our neighborhoods whatever we collectively call them!
A lot of the neighborhoods on the official map I have go by names I've never heard, and others, like Proctor, don't officially exist at all.
If enough people own their neighborhood name, eventually the official action, if any, will be easier to come by.
Ultimately, the community decides. I'd like to start spreading some names and vague boundaries out there and see what takes, but the rest is up to the Taco-mans.
by Erik on 3/16/2008 @ 8:48pm
|However, we can unofficially call our neighborhoods whatever we collectively call them! |
Yep. That's a good criteria. The official neighborhood names cover vast areas. There are advantages and disadvantages to that.
Also, to make it more complicated, there is now the "working downtown" which includes Hilltop and Stadium.
The official names of the neighborhoods will probably always be pretty generic and far behind the times and politically influenced.
For every official neighborhood such as "The North End" there are a slew of smaller neighborhood names. They each have their place depending on how general or specific you are trying to be and how knowledgeable the person you are talking to is.
by Jake on 3/17/2008 @ 12:20am
|North End is a neighborhood council area / general area.
The neighborhoods in the North End according to the 1980 neighborhood map are (some of these might mingle into the West End area):
Ruston, Wedgewood, Westgate, Wilson, Jane Clark, Mason, Jefferson, Sherman, Puget Park, Washington, UPS, Old Town, Prospect Hill, Buckley, Jason Lee, St. Patrick, Stadium/Seminary
What Tacoma needs to do is update the 1980 neighborhood map and start using it instead of just using the Neighbrohood Council Area Map.
by Dmitri on 3/17/2008 @ 2:30pm
|That retired mailman has never told you that 203 was not the right address. You have been printing 208 and they had been printing 208 and I have been telling you it's 203. Go back and read my previous comments and I believe you will see that is what I posted.|
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