Tacoma Urbanist

Jan. 29, 2008 at 12:31am

Obama? Clinton? Nation Looks to Tacoma for Guidance

The democratic nomination looks to be very close between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.  On February 9th, Washington will use the caucus system to determine who they will support for president.  Because there are very few people who attend the caucuses, you could make a big difference.


Barack Obama after recent South Carolina win.

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Hillary Clinton after Nevada win

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Republicans and democrats agree that Washington will almost certainly give its electorial votes to the democrats. However, I have see alot of Ron Paul signs around town like this one:





Here's a Ron Paul video. 



For more information and to attend your local caucus, see

Pierce County Democrats

Pierce County Republicans

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Comments

by Erik on 1/29/2008 @ 3:10pm
I just got robo called by a voice indentified as Mitt Romney. It knew my name somehow said something. It was spooky as it must have been computer driven system looking at data bases.

by Erik Hanberg on 1/29/2008 @ 4:17pm
My cell phone got robo called by Mitt too.

by Erik on 1/29/2008 @ 4:26pm
My cell phone got robo called by Mitt too.

Weird. I though cell phone solicitations were illegal.

5 minutes ago, I got robo called again from Mitt asking for money. That does it. Now I am more motivated to support Ron Paul than ever.

by NineInchNachos on 1/29/2008 @ 4:40pm
I to am a victim. though I think it was actually Mitt and not a robot.

by Erik on 1/29/2008 @ 4:55pm
The Seattle PI has apparently lifted the Urbanist headline:

It's likely that our caucus will matter
REID WILSON
GUEST COLUMNIST

But as strategists contemplate allocating their money for each Feb. 5 state, priorities are emerging and different candidates are focusing more on different types of states. That makes a clear winner much less likely to emerge, and that, to the joy and relief of Washington state political junkies, makes it much more likely that Washington's Feb. 9 caucuses will actually matter.

by Jake on 1/29/2008 @ 5:16pm
The TNT editorial board is discussing endorsements today. I am thinking they are going for Obama and McCain.

by Erik on 1/29/2008 @ 5:42pm
The TNT editorial board is discussing endorsements today. I am thinking they are going for Obama and McCain.

Interesting. I think Erik Emery is endorsing Obama. Check out his site.

That's the first presidential endorsement in the Tacoma blogosphere.

Perhaps Erik E. will attend the caucus as well. The bloggers could call for a flash mob at the caucus like Kevin caused for Mary's Burgers. That might make a difference.

by Jake on 1/29/2008 @ 9:37pm
Here are my thoughts and I think what many of the recent Obama endorsements are based on:

You have to look past the Democrat Party Nomination and look at the General Election. What it comes down to is Independents.
Say the country is 45% dem, 45% rep, and 10% Ind.
You have to look at who is getting the Independent vote?

Right now it is McCain and Obama.

There are many Democrats who don't like Clinton and will not vote for her. So she will loose some democrat votes and will not gain the Independent vote like Obama will, ecspecially against McCain. Obama is pulling large Independent numbers and even pulling some Republican votes. Yes some Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama but he won't loose as many Dem voters as Hillary will.

Analyst know this. The news channels know this. Most of the newspapers know this. Clinton supporters don't seem to understand it.

Clinton can win as many states as she wants but when it comes down to it she will lose against McCain. If she is nominated McCain will gain some Democrat votes, a majority of the Independents and of course the Republicans bringing him to be our new President.

Of course that is IMO

by Erik on 1/29/2008 @ 10:09pm
There are many Democrats who don't like Clinton and will not vote for her.

Good analysis Jake. I have heard it explained to me that alot of independants don't want to see Bill Clinton in the White House again.

Are you planning on attending a caucus?


by KevinFreitas on 1/30/2008 @ 7:30am
I'm hoping to caucus for the first time in my life this year. Could be a fascinating and fun process.

by thriceallamerican on 1/30/2008 @ 7:58am
Edwards is out.

I've been on the Obama train since, well, the 2004 convention speech. As Jake points out, this guy has a way of pulling independents in a way rarely seen among politicians. I think any of the D candidates could kill Romney in the general election, so the big wildcard, again as pointed out by Jake, is who can beat McCain. For all the "experience" she speaks of, Hillary doesn't really have that much more than Obama in actual elected office (less, in fact...aside from being married to Bill). So what does she have, then? Age? Is that really what it's all about? To be completely un-PC, the boomers have had their chance, and it's been a big letdown: bring on Obama.

by thriceallamerican on 1/30/2008 @ 8:00am
Oh yeah, the 2004 caucus was fun. It's really neat to meet your neighbors, talk politics, and really sell your candidate. I got to go to the County Convention as a Kucinich delegate, which was also kinda neat (though the "party business" portion was a larger part of the latter event). Definitely going again to the precint caucus this year...my goal is to get my caucus to go all in for Obama. :-)

by Erik on 1/30/2008 @ 10:30am
I'm hoping to caucus for the first time in my life this year. Could be a fascinating and fun process.

I have done it once. It is pretty fun because it is so local. Its hard to imagine having an effect on the presidential level from a few of the people you see walking around.

Also, you will be weilding 50 or 100 times (I am guessing) as much power caucusing than voting considering how relativey few people attend these compared to vote.

I got to go to the County Convention as a Kucinich delegate, which was also kinda neat

My understanding is that if your candidate does not get enough support at the caucus, they are deemed "non-viable" and you have to choose another one or go into the "undecided" group.

I wonder if all of the Tacoma bloggers caucused with our friends whether we could have the power to determine one national delegate. Hmmm.

by Jake on 1/30/2008 @ 10:32am
Don't you have to caucuse as your designated caucusing place?

by thriceallamerican on 1/30/2008 @ 10:41am
Jake, that's correct. And at each caucusing place, you'll be divided up by the actual precinct you live in. Precincts are pretty small, geographically...I think in '04 there were 10-15 people that showed up for the Democratic caucus in my precinct. (And Kucinich made a very good showing in my precinct, picking up some supporters from candidates that were less viable...I believe we sent 3 delegates on to the county convention–of course these don't directly translate to state delegates, but I know for a fact that Washington did sent delegates to the national convention for Kucinich in 2004.)

by Jake on 1/30/2008 @ 12:43pm
Just read this:

Who's next? Arnold Schwarzenegger in California? Well, McCain has been making a play for him and, since he is a semi-Kennedy, Obama may dream of getting him. But Arnold is playing it cool. If current New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg runs as an independent, look for the Governator to endorse him. They've been spending a lot of time together.


I have heard that if Clinton is the nom then Bloomberg will run as an Independent.

by thriceallamerican on 1/30/2008 @ 12:47pm
Do people care who the Governator endorses? I guess every endorsement counts...

In addition to the possibility of an independent Bloomberg run, Nader may be back for another run (presumably as an independent). Also, look out for Ron Paul jumping in with the Libertarians–he's said he won't do it, but he's more Libertarian than Republican...never say never.

by Erik on 1/30/2008 @ 2:16pm
John Edwards has now left the race.

Now it is down to Clinton and Obama.

by NineInchNachos on 1/30/2008 @ 3:03pm
Obama... good stuff

by izenmania on 1/30/2008 @ 3:19pm
I'm hoping that whoever wins it (though I'll push for Obama) takes a cue from Kerry and snags John Edwards as their veep candidate.

by thriceallamerican on 1/30/2008 @ 3:38pm
I'm wagering on a Bill Richardson VP nod. Especially if Obama takes the nomination. You heard it here.

Then again, Richardson has hesitated to endorse either of the remaining candidates.

I've heard some murmurings about Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who just endorsed Obama, being a leading candidate to join his ticket.

No guesses on Hillary running mates. Maybe Bill? (joke)

by Erik on 1/30/2008 @ 3:38pm
I'm hoping that whoever wins it (though I'll push for Obama) takes a cue from Kerry and snags John Edwards as their veep candidate.

Thanks. Looks like the Tacoma Bloggers are endorsing Obama 3-0 so far.

No one has come out for Ron Paul yet.

by Jake on 1/30/2008 @ 3:58pm
So does that mean Tacoma Bloggers are smarter?
I mean exit polls do show folks who vote for Obama are more educated.

by NEAL on 1/30/2008 @ 4:07pm
If it's your first time at caucus, you can participate in a "macus" this Saturday at 10 a.m. or 2 p.m.

The Democratic Party is sponsoring this at their office in the IBEW hall on South 36th Street.

www.piercecountydems.org for phone and address. The calendar link on the left side will also have information on times.

Also, there is not a 15 percent viability requirement in Washington state this time around. Candidates only need to secure a large enough percentage of supporters in a precinct to get a delegate.

It's exciting that Washington state does matter ...

by thriceallamerican on 1/30/2008 @ 4:08pm
By the same logic that shows that John Stewart made Mike Huckabee, yes.

by thriceallamerican on 1/30/2008 @ 4:08pm
Previous comment in answer to Jake, not NEAL.

by ensie on 1/30/2008 @ 8:51pm
According to my husband the political junkie, Edwards will never be the Veep. Rumors are circulating that he's been offered the Attorney General position should Obama win, which would be a good spot for him.

You can check out his political blog (which is being highly ignored due to play rehearsals right now) here.

Frinklin and I will be caucusing for the first time this year.

All about Obama, baby. Add two more to your count Erik. We ordered our lawn signs several weeks ago but they are back ordered at the moment.

by Erik on 1/30/2008 @ 9:03pm
If it's your first time at caucus, you can participate in a "macus" this Saturday at 10 a.m. or 2 p.m.

The Democratic Party is sponsoring this at their office in the IBEW hall on South 36th Street.


Thanks NEAL.

(Its hard to tell who is who but I believe NEAL is our local political expert).

by Erik on 1/30/2008 @ 9:17pm
All about Obama, baby. Add two more to your count Erik. We ordered our lawn signs several weeks ago but they are back ordered at the moment.

Ok. Make that 5 - 0 for Obama for the Tacoma blogosphere. Interesting trend.

by AP on 1/30/2008 @ 10:36pm
Obama. 6-0.

by thriceallamerican on 1/31/2008 @ 7:57am
The blogosphere, locally and nationally, skews young. Obama's support amongst the young is really good. Which is why it's so important to get young folks out to vote.

NEAL = definitely a local political expert.

by AP on 1/31/2008 @ 10:35am
To clarify, Obama is the lesser evil here. Can't remember a time when I was truly stoked on a candidate for Pres. This writer's opinion is that it takes a freak to want this job. I know this is not a revolutionary opinion, but I believe it more the older I get.

by thriceallamerican on 1/31/2008 @ 1:02pm
Exact details still emerging, but John Kerry will be making a stop in Tacoma tomorrow to stump for Obama. Should be fun!

by Erik on 1/31/2008 @ 1:05pm
Its coming down to the wire here.

The Washington delegation is split on the Democratic side.

Representative Adam Smith is backing Obama

The "spring training" phase of the 2008 presidential campaign has produced a commitment by a key player. Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash., who put together John Kerry's campaign for this state in 2004, is backing Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

"At the top of the list, in my reasons why, is his ability to bring people together," Smith said. "In the last six to 15 years, the country has been more and more divided. I am impressed by his background and by the variety of his experiences. He also understands the new economy."


Senator Maria Cantell is backing Clinton

Washington Senator Maria Cantwell was the latest to announce her support for Hillary, citing her ability to deliver real solutions to America’s problems.

"Hillary is ready to address our energy challenges on day one with a bold, comprehensive plan to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and move America toward a renewable energy future," Senator Cantwell said.


by Erik on 1/31/2008 @ 1:37pm
Exact details still emerging, but John Kerry will be making a stop in Tacoma tomorrow to stump for Obama. Should be fun!

Please let us know. That is pretty big news.

by thriceallamerican on 1/31/2008 @ 1:50pm
There is a Seattle event at the UW HUB with John Kerry, Adam Smith, and Greg Nickels at 9am.

All I know about the Tacoma event is that it's thus far been called a "house party". I'm hoping Kid and Play will show up.

by thriceallamerican on 1/31/2008 @ 2:18pm
This info has been posted elsewhere by now, but the Obama event Friday is at 4pm at the anachronistically-named "Colored Women's Club" at 2316 S Yakima Ave.

(For the Hillary fans, hit up King's Books at 1pm on Saturday for a rally with Maria Cantwell and Jay Inslee.)

by Erik on 1/31/2008 @ 2:24pm
Thanks Jamie.

by KevinFreitas on 1/31/2008 @ 3:26pm
Folks in the know should post any upcoming local political events in the FT calendar so it's easy to find out who's stumping for whom when.

by NEAL on 1/31/2008 @ 3:44pm
KF,

your link gives me a "404" I-hate-you message.


by KevinFreitas on 1/31/2008 @ 3:48pm
Doh! Should be fixed now. Thanks NEAL!