
by intacoma on 4/10/2008 @ 6:07am | ugly waitresses
(kidding) I hate it when I'm served a dirty plate, I'll never go back to the Antique Sandwich Shop because I was given my food with some foreign goo on the plate |

by KevinFreitas on 4/10/2008 @ 6:37am | I've been to Cascade Bagel (pictured above) many, many times but not in the afternoon when I'd notice this. I understand the impression but, at least there, I wouldn't be too deterred hence why I'm naming names. They serve up some really tasty bagels with all kinds of options to make a meal of it like that sundried tomato basil cream cheese, the stacked BLTs, or their breakfast bagel sandwiches.
With that kind of location they run usually a staff of only one or two so I imagine this is just a training thing for them. They probably figure by getting some stacking done early they're being more efficient and can leave sooner after closing. I'm sure if the owners mentioned the impression this gives even if only a few patrons stop by in the afternoon they'd shape up.
Thanks for the perspective though Urbanist 'cause that really can be a mood killer in a restaurant. My peeve is when the stacking happens somewhere while I'm someplace eating and it's close to, but not, closing time. I came, I spent money, let me eat my stuff in peace without you doing your house cleaning. |

by Ron on 4/10/2008 @ 7:33am | I find it rude and unpleasant when a restaurant vacuums while I'm still eating. |

by Steph DeRosa on 4/10/2008 @ 8:03am | I waited tables and bartended from 16-26 years old. I can tell you everything those servers are thinking.
Tacoma Urbanist is 100% correct in his analysis.
An establishment with any sort of somewhat 'professional' manager (read: out of high school) would never let their employees stack chairs like that before it's closed.
I could see if they wanted to close the section, but it would have to be a larger restaurant with apparent "sections". Also, if they want to close a section in that small area, there needs to be an accompanying sign that says "section closed".
The chair stacking is a sign of laziness. They don't want to have to clean more tables and sweep that area later. Given the size of that place, it doesn't look like they are having to sweep up the Tacoma Dome or anything.
Sidenote: I worked at a restaurant where we were allowed to be rude to the guests, and they loved it.
If we wanted them to leave we had a huge lantern we would place on their table and ask them if they'd like to camp out. It was also fun to tell them we'd start charging rent if they didn't vacate the seat soon. I loved working there. |

by two9seven on 4/10/2008 @ 8:10am | Uncomfortable chairs. Too tall ones
too short ones.
ones that lean back to much
arm rests to high
Wobbly tables
Overpriced menu
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by joel413 on 4/10/2008 @ 8:38am | I've waited many tables, and I can think of situations where we stacked early, and charged "rent" for people staying late. But if your hours are X-10:00pm you should accept people until 10:00pm... not want them out the door at 10:00pm. That's customer service. Or... when posting your hours say "Last seating at 9:30) or something. |

by izenmania on 4/10/2008 @ 9:01am | Sidenote: I worked at a restaurant where we were allowed to be rude to the guests, and they loved it.
I've definitely been to places where that's worked because it is the established nature of the restaurant. It can create quite an amusing atmosphere.
Out of two9seven's gripes, wobbly tables are high on my list. Wobbly chairs are mildly irksome, but wobbly tables spill drinks (I'm looking at you, Indochine).
Speaking of... seating without backs. Uncool.
(they also suffered from the overpriced/not very tasty menu issues. hence why I've been there once and am done) |

by NineInchNachos on 4/10/2008 @ 9:02am | my list:
- un-comfy ikea chairs
- blank walls
- wait staff who try and 'upsell' you on crap
- loud annoying "fat beats" you have to shout over
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by AP on 4/10/2008 @ 10:02am | Yup, it's all about not wanting to wipe down the tables and sweep the floor in that area -- which in my mind, is worse than the "please go home" angle. If somebody else is off work and I'm holding them up from getting out of there, I can respect that. I don't like people keeping me at work longer than I had planned being there.
Shouting to the world "we don't want to spend an extra 2.4 minutes cleaning these 3 tables later, so f'n sit somewhere else" is not a good message.
I've worked in restaurants in the past, so I can overlook just about anything from rude service to a loud kitchen, and anything in between. Laziness, for some reason, sticks out as the glaring exception. After all, it is still a job that requires work -- get over it, worker person! |

by Erik on 4/10/2008 @ 10:46am | I find it rude and unpleasant when a restaurant vacuums while I'm still eating.
Yes, Ron. Early vacuuming is pretty much in the same category as pre-mature chair stacking to force (intentionally or not) an early closing.
Sometimes, there is some cleaning that needs to be done during the day such as spills and such.
Yet, unnecessary sweeping and vacuuming by a table pretty much destroys whatever atmosphere there was. The first rule should be "do no harm."
My peeve is when the stacking happens somewhere while I'm someplace eating and it's close to, but not, closing time.
Agreed, it's all in the timing. If you are a holdover customer, you deserve to have the chairs stacked next to you and the "get out" signal is appropriate.
Sidenote: I worked at a restaurant where we were allowed to be rude to the guests, and they loved it.
Funny. There was actually a place in San Francisco I heard of and tried to go to once where they made sport of being rude to customers. They would intentionally give you something you didn't order and throw you food at you. People paid for the punishment.
I suppose it was a kind of a dinner theater of sorts. Yet, it met expectations so I guess it "works" in that way.
Some of Tacoma's old diners used to pride themselves in having long term waitresses who were belligerent with customers.
You pretty much had to take it if you wanted to eat there until you became a regular. I don't see that much anymore though with the increased competition in the Tacoma restaurant business. |

by jenyum on 4/10/2008 @ 10:56am | In total agreement with two9seven on the too-tall chairs issue. News flash: Not all of your patrons are 6 feet tall! I don't want to eat my meal whilst attempting remain at the top of your uncomfortable stools. |

by Erik on 4/10/2008 @ 11:00am | Speaking of... seating without backs. Uncool.
The famous "chair of pain" used to be the one at Starbucks with the a "back" of the chair that was about 6 inches high and made of a steel bar. It seemed like it designed to cause physical pain after 5 minutes and move customers on their way. |

by RonSwarner on 4/10/2008 @ 11:02am | I agree Erik. Spillage occurs. Cleaning it up immediately is a must. What bothers me is a 1 to 2 p.m. clean the entire floor routine. Even the non-motorized vacuum freaks me out. Not a huge fan of dust around food (although my car care/drive while eating habit says otherwise). |

by thriceallamerican on 4/10/2008 @ 11:24am | Funny. There was actually a place in San Francisco I heard of and tried to go to once where they made sport of being rude to customers...I suppose it was a kind of a dinner theater of sorts.
That reminds me of something I heard about...I think in Minnesota??? Anywhere, somewhere where a smoking ban had been implemented... Apparently one of the loopholes of their smoking ban was that smoking was allowed for casts in theatrical performances, so as to not prohibit smoking in plays. Bars promptly started advertising "shows" in which the "cast" was made up of the clientèle of the bar, allowing people to choose to attend bars that essentially were specifically offering a "smoking night" (just not in so many words). |

by AP on 4/10/2008 @ 11:33am | Loopholes are good. |

by andrew.austin on 4/10/2008 @ 11:42am | Erik-great post and conversation that followed.
I agree with the general sentiment, the premature stacking is sure tell sign of undetrained/underappreciated/unprofessional staff. I used to work at freaking Taco Del Mar in high school, even there we did not start the stacking until the last costumer was out...or 20+ minutes after closing time (which was late 9pm!).
"Funny. There was actually a place in San Francisco I heard of and tried to go to once where they made sport of being rude to customers. They would intentionally give you something you didn't order and throw you food at you. People paid for the punishment."
A few weeks ago I was in Vegas. There is an overprices burger joint on the strip in Excalbur that does exactly this. Although they had lots of funny gimics like writting mean things on giant paper hats and putting in on folks heads. Then again...anything works in Vegas because that place is crazy, not the case in Tacoma.
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by Erik on 4/10/2008 @ 12:14pm | I used to work at freaking Taco Del Mar in high school, even there we did not start the stacking until the last costumer was out...or 20 minutes after closing time (which was late 9pm!).
Unfortunately, I have seen premature chair stacking and other closing activities most commonly in smaller locally owned restaurants as they are more likely to have more unpredictable closing times.
One of the ways corporate restaurants seem to often have an edge on small restaurants is their predictability in closing times. You rarely see them close early even if no one is there. There are number of very injurious signals that are given off by restaurants who close before the stated time.
I suspect early closings and activities in relation to it, as many have discussed above, hurts the reputation and brand of the smaller independent restaurant far more than the owners may be aware of. |

by fredo on 4/10/2008 @ 8:02pm | I had never thought too much about this premature chair stacking, but have been annoyed by waitresses taking the plates off the table while people were still eating.
The owners of small businesses must be ever vigilant against slacker employees. This means showing up frequently, and at unexpected hours to see what's going on. Or the owner can hire a shopping service to provide discrete supervision. I don't think restaurants are any worse than other small businesses with respect to customer service, however. |

by Jake on 4/10/2008 @ 8:51pm | "One of the ways corporate restaurants seem to often have an edge on small restaurants is their predictability in closing times. You rarely see them close early even if no one is there. There are number of very injurious signals that are given off by restaurants who close before the stated time. "
There is a certain pizza joint that I love love love and on numerous occasion I have tried to stop by for pizza during posted hours and they were closed. Others have mentioned this happening as well.
I hate that! |

by Erik on 4/10/2008 @ 11:49pm | There is a certain pizza joint that I love love love and on numerous occasion I have tried to stop by for pizza during posted hours and they were closed. Others have mentioned this happening as well. I hate that!
Me too. Doesn't everyone?
IMO Closing earlier than stated hours is a bad practice I think for any restaurant.
The theory behind having a "flexible" closing time is to save costs from having paid staff sitting around with no money coming it. It is made as a cost saving measure.
However, it send off a number of bad messages to would be customers who are left to guess whether one or more of the below are true:
1) The restaurant closed early because no one was around. Bad because people generally avoid failing restaurants.
2) The restaurant closed early because it is going out of business or entering a "restaurant death spiral." (That's a subject for another post)
3) The restaurant closed early because it is simply, for whatever reason, unreliable. Flaky. The the potential customer may not try again.
Either way, the restaurant has shown itself undependable. I think early closing is bad for restaurants and the short term cost savings are not worth the long term loss of reputation.
Better to cut back on stated hours being opened and then stay fully open for that time. |
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