Oct. 9, 2008 at 2:31pm
I understand that if I want to relive my elementary school C&C Music Factory fix I might tune into 92.5 on my radio dial. But, please, get your f'ing graffiti ads off our signposts and outta' my town 'cause they ain't welcome marring all the hard work we put into making Tacoma a better place!
With kind, albeit territorial, regards,
~ Kevin from Tacoma
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by KevinFreitas on 10/9/2008 @ 3:15pm
|Already got an email back from Marilyn Strickland who forwarded my email and post to the City Manager's office. Allison from that office called to ask about where the signs were posted and is going to notify Code Enforcement to determine if there's any way to prove Movin' should be fined or, if not, at least remove them.
Hopefully just the fact that these things are so large (not like bumper stickers or paper flyers) and meant to be stuck to things can help them make the case to at least scold Movin'. More if I hear more.
In the meantime, thanks to Councilmember Strickland and Allison for their prompt attention and response.
by Erik on 10/9/2008 @ 3:59pm
by Erik Hanberg on 10/9/2008 @ 5:34pm
|Remember that *legally* speaking there is nothing different between these two ads and the Beautiful Angle posters up on a street pole.
I think we should relax the rules on posting on signs. More here: www.erikemery.com/2008/10/speaking-of-si...
by NineInchNachos on 10/9/2008 @ 6:54pm
by Where the World Spins on 10/9/2008 @ 6:54pm
|Amen...let's not get carried away..don't want to see Tom end up in jail...these days are hard...deb|
by morgan on 10/9/2008 @ 7:43pm
|The code could be written to differentiate stapled vs adhesive... to keep Tom out of jail.|
by Erik Hanberg on 10/9/2008 @ 8:41pm
|Considering that the City gave them an award for doing it, I don't see them locking them up for it, too.
I think differentiating how the advertisement/poster is applied is a good litmus test.
by Where the World Spins on 10/9/2008 @ 8:47pm
|I like that idea! wheat paste is waaaay more organic than metal right?|
by intacoma on 10/10/2008 @ 2:26am
|if movin gets fined then so should beautiful angle both are in violation, don't get me wrong I love what L&T are doing but by them being so public they have lost all of there underground credibility.
Same goes for 100th monkey in my opinion.
by KevinFreitas on 10/10/2008 @ 6:51am
|Frost Park chalk off's are also "technically" graffiti but there's a huge difference. That event plus the efforts of local artists like the fine Beautiful Angle folks should be afforded a double standard. They're brightening up our town with community generated music, art, and activity. Movin' is spamming with huge, self-serving ads.|
I think we can choose to have a double standard for acceptable forms of public posting so we're not taken advantage of by large companies but allow the "little guy" to get the word out.
by intacoma on 10/10/2008 @ 8:14am
|oh please, that just means the city then gets to decide which will bring even more bs.
End of the day some city employee or business owner has to scrape the poster off the wall.
Beautiful angle should retire, its now reached the point where they give highfives to the major and mommy bloggers swoop in to collect.
You can't praise one group and ticket and fine another for their art, especially if they are the same medium.
I liked the old BA, just saying.
by intacoma on 10/10/2008 @ 8:17am
|"Frost Park chalk off's are also "technically" graffiti but there's a huge difference."
The huge difference is the mess it becomes during the week instead of a medium that stays it rubs off and gets all over your shoes and khakis
Days after frost park its a freaking mess, I don't mind really but just because the chalk offs are in chalk and people in the city participate it is looked at differently.
Why should you have permission to chalk? Just do it.
by tommyllew on 10/10/2008 @ 12:41pm
you are taking us way more seriously than we take ourselves. Not sure who the major is or when we high-fived him (or her). I'm not sure who the old BA is either, as it's always been two middle-aged guys cranking out posters in a Tacoma basement and hanging them around town. We've never hid our identities. There was a website from day one. And no one's making a living on the proceeds from poster sales. Trust me.
No one's retiring, either. I hope to be doing this 30 years from now. Ignore the work. Pay attention to it. Whatever. That's the beauty of guerilla art. We don't wait for an audience to approve anything.
You should try it. It's fun. That, right there, is why we do it.
As far as other people's right to post on poles, I say post away. One man's advertisement is another man's artwork. If the movin' 92.5 poster had been of better quality, I would have happily swiped it. The crime, in my opinion, is that the poster is just not very interesting. But then again, I'm sure we've committed that same crime at least once or twice ourselves.
As far as the city's right to enforce their laws, they have that right as well, at least legally speaking. They have the right to crack down on jaywalkers, too. Personally, I hope both remain a very low priority for them.
by intacoma on 10/10/2008 @ 1:58pm
|major pain of course, I don't think that you should stop and I'm glad that legally speaking you are on the same level, keeps things interesting |
Major = Mayor
by intacoma on 10/10/2008 @ 2:01pm
|"You should try it. It's fun. That, right there, is why we do it. "
Don't worry I do
by tacomamasnotathomerightnow on 10/11/2008 @ 3:00pm
|Beautiful angle should retire, its now reached the point where they give highfives to the major and mommy bloggers swoop in to collect.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I have been known to drink several glasses of wine and then whine pathetically about never owning a beautiful angle poster, but I'm pretty sure you weren't there for that. I'm assuming you're not talking about me, then, and WTF did mommybloggers do to you? What is it about a mommyblogger owning a Beautiful Angle poster that would cause it to lose value? Explain yourself, please.
There's no problem (legally anyway) with regulating commercial speech and holding artistic endeavors like beautiful angle and the chalk off to a different standard. There's plenty of precedent for that. This is why the city can, for example, decide to disallow billboards within a certain distance from a church. But in this instance I think the poles are city property, so the city can probably dictate what goes on them.
by intacoma on 10/11/2008 @ 6:25pm
by Adam the Alien on 10/15/2008 @ 4:45pm
|Personally, I fall on the side of "What's wrong with it, exactly?" I honestly didn't realize there was any sort of law against putting things on poles and such...that seems odd, to me. Though it does explain why Tacoma has those crazy event boards (which are, I might add, insanely sparse, given the no-things-on-poles law).|
To me, stuff stapled to poles adds character to a city. It's one of the things I always loved about Portland, growing up in Oregon. In the journalism room at my college, our walls - one in particular - were littered with an ever-growing collection of odd knick-knacks, printouts, drawings, drafts and the occasional broken frisbee or plastic fork. Covering the blank, white walls with all this stuff made it feel more like home.
Rewind further to my old high school theatre, where the wall behind the light booth was covered in signatures and cast lists from people and plays long gone. The shop was covered in paint - from the names of techies who had claimed their personal brick to random quotations painted over the wall and floor. When the new principal came in, shortly after I left, and made threats of removing the "graffiti", he quickly found himself in a losing battle with the community.
Now I understand that ads on a pole seem like a different matter...but they're part of it. A necessary evil. Yeah, you'll occasionally get the odd bigger business coming by and slapping an ad on the pole...but the exchange in allowing that is that it allows us to see postings made by small, local bands, businesses, restaurants and the like. It allows us to see random poetry put there by anyone from a creative high school student to local legends like Daniel Blue. Sure, you're going to get the odd profanity placed on there, and you'll always be fighting that, no matter what the law says.
As it stands, we've got a law that hinders cut'n'paste guerilla communication. Those nutty event boards...right off the top of my head, I only know where one is. I only know that one because it's right next to two delivery stops. I have no idea where any others are. And they're intimidating...I don't, personally, know the rules of posting there. Do most people know? Can anyone put something there? Do you have to go through certain channels? If it's the latter, most folks would end up shrugging their shoulders and thinking, "Well, fuck that. I don't want to deal with the bureaucracy."
From where I'm standing, prohibiting people from posting things on poles comes from the same mindset that forced the walls of the Graffiti Garages to be sterilized with white blankness (which, as I recall, was much-bemoaned amongst the feedtacoma community). It's the mindset that wants a nice, clean neighborhood, no matter the cost to the culture. The most frightening thing is that this need for cultural sterility, for gentrification, is usually pushed by people who moved into an area because they liked the culture. They like art museums and galleries and music, but they don't want those damn dirty artists and musicians living and breathing and struggling in the same space as them.
Movin's blatant disregard of the law, thinking they can get away with it because they're them? Yeah, that irks me. It downright pisses me off. However, the fact that the law exists pisses me off more. But, then again, I'm the guy who thinks people should lay off the weedkiller and let the damn dandilions grow.
by intacoma on 10/15/2008 @ 6:38pm
|This is my same thinking, ^ Pisses me off too, |
I just don't like to see people not understand that guerrilla art is equal in terms of fines as advertising like what movin did according to city laws
the generalization of "mommy bloggers" in my above statement was probably not best choice of words, was was not targeting you "tacoma mamma" so have a glass of wine and relax ;)
by intacoma on 10/15/2008 @ 6:40pm
|having an authority of approval on guerrilla art is just silly|
by KevinFreitas on 10/22/2008 @ 2:35pm
|A note from the City on this:
A code enforcement officer did inspect the area you indicated on October 14 and found one sign and removed it. Code enforcement personnel will also be contacting the radio station to advise them that this is a code violation. As you may know, code enforcement is currently a complaint-driven process, so please continue to report these kinds of code issues should you see them. You can call code enforcement at 591-5001 to report future issues.
I noticed 5 or 6 of these posters down there and all appear to have been removed in the last week. Thanks to the City for their prompt and professional response!
Although I have another home on the web I thought it might be nice to lead by example a bit and put this blog system up to the test myself.
So far, so good... Funny how I build web tools for other people that are far better than the one's I have setup over on KFnet.
Hey Clear Channel, Clean Up Your Crap!