Oct. 19, 2008 at 5:17pm
because I'm banned from replying directly.
You've probably read this blog entry in 5views.com with shock and disgust..
Personally I don't see discrimination or "one-sided-ness" when you blockquote an article from the new york times and then ask 'what do you think?' at the end as the TNT political blog poster did.
Sure Mr. Becker at 5views.com is probably insane and he can write what he wants.. whatever. But Mofo from the Hood makes the point:
"Maggie, I think it’s great that you have the freedom to voice your enthusiasm for a political candidate.
Do you know that Christian ministers do not have that freedom to do the same at the pulpit in their church?"
I think Christian ministers SHOULD have the freedom to voice their enthusiasm for a political candidate. I also think these churches should then PAY FRIGGIN' TAXES!!! to support THEIR COUNTRY if they've got such a hardon for a political candidate.
lets face it. Most churches in this country are nothing more than tax evasion schemes ((**cough Scientology**)). Isn't it about time we end the free ride?
End corporate welfare.
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by morgan on 10/19/2008 @ 8:26pm
| I also think these churches should then PAY FRIGGIN' TAXES!!! to support THEIR COUNTRY
I second this- with the clarification that all non-profits (churches included) should pay for the services they use (mostly fire and - ahem! - police). Right now they are a drain on the COMMUNITY when they should be supporting it. My god, I'm starting to sound like a Republican!
by marumaruyopparai on 10/19/2008 @ 11:42pm
|Hey RR, if I may be so bold as to inquire: what got you banned from 5views? Did you go down in a flagrantly offensive blaze of glory, or was it just a straw that broke the camel's back?|
by tommyllew on 10/20/2008 @ 7:48am
|You think non-profits are a drain on the community? Man, you do sound like a Republican. My dinky little church - Trinity Presbyterian - operates a food bank, a clothing bank, a tutoring program for Bryant Elementary School, a tutoring program for Jason Lee, a school supplies drive, Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner giveaways to needy families, Christmas gift giveaways for needy children, as well as a whole bunch of other stuff that feels nothing like a drain. For the lack of taxes they pay, it sure feels like the community gets an awful lot in return.|
by chrism39 on 10/20/2008 @ 8:03am
|I can't stand 5 views, but I find him fascinating. He has threatened to block me too. I do not believe churches should be allowed to endorse political candidates.|
by zastica on 10/20/2008 @ 10:04am
|I wanna get banned by that guy, too.|
by chrism39 on 10/20/2008 @ 11:43am
|Disagree with him and you will get your wish.|
by jane on 10/20/2008 @ 12:55pm
|It's not just churches - non-profits are not allowed to engage in political activities.
As for non-profits being a drain on the community...
I don't think they are, although I have to wonder about the mega-churches and who they really serve. I don't think it's the community at large
by jane on 10/20/2008 @ 1:08pm
|LOVE the Chick tract link- I forwarded it off to my Dad. He used to collect those tracts because he thought they were so creepy.... and he's right!|
by NineInchNachos on 10/20/2008 @ 8:18pm
|chick comics are groovy. right up there with copies of 'the watchtower' all marketing materials worthy of collection and a valuable testament to human imagination. |
I was banned from 5views.com for exercising the Socratic method in a philosophical discussion about the mythos of Jesus and the immaculate conception.
according to legend Jesus is the product of a union between an immortal god and a mortal human female. So where does that leave Jesus? Half man half god--like Hercules? And if so what was the extent of Jesus' superpowers? Was god's wife (goddess) jealous and spiteful to Jesus?
Anyhow for these inquiries I was branded a Heretic and unworthy the privilege of commenting.
just kidding. I was banned for having anarchist potty fingers in this thread:
related and interesting:
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/20/2008 @ 9:00pm
|It okay for the government to ram secular doctrine into the minds of public school kids. And Islam or Buddhism or Hinduism, like hey people, show a little tolerance. But dare to offer an alternative Christian viewpoint and the whole Castro neighborhood of San Francisco flips their f'ing turbans.
by NineInchNachos on 10/20/2008 @ 9:03pm
|as you can see in part 3, I was banned for taking the conversation in exciting new directions.
by NineInchNachos on 10/20/2008 @ 9:04pm
|secular doctrine? you mean science?|
by chrism39 on 10/20/2008 @ 9:27pm
|Islam, buddhism or Hinduism can be explored to teach different cultures not just religion and the reason there is a secular doctrine is because there is a separation of church and state. There just is and if you don't like the secular education you are free to enroll your child into a private school.|
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/20/2008 @ 10:13pm
|Like all of the above mentioned religions, secularism is a philosophical and moral system. As I understand it, the expansion of secular ideology in U.S. public schools began around 1820. Since then, thousands of people have enrolled their children in private schools. Thousands more have chosen to home school their children. I'm for both private methods.
However there are many people, unionized school teachers among them, that are working daily to suspend those alternate private methods of education--- outlaw them. One such fact of aggression and intolerance rocked California earlier this year.
by marumaruyopparai on 10/20/2008 @ 11:19pm
|Thanks RR. I was keeping my fingers crossed that you'd furnish us with links, and you delivered. Looks like a real page turner.|
by Keeper on 10/21/2008 @ 10:34am
|I don't think there is anything wrong with a church (or any non-profit) verbally supporting a political candidate. As long as there is no financial transaction (i.e. money given to the candidate), then I see no reason why that entity would loose their non-profit status. Churches that collect tithes and offerings are not funneling those monies to the candidates (at least they shouldn't be).
Gotta side with tommyllew on this one as well. The money given to my church does a ton of good for the community. As an example, the church is paying for the rent and food for a dear friend of mine who is dying of cancer (because he can no longer work). They donated some 250 supply-filled backpacks to local elementary students who could otherwise not afford them. The list goes on and on. Having the pastor say that he supports a candidate who's social views align more with the church's is just fine with me.
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