RR Anderson, DIY Cultural Arts Specialist

Sep. 20, 2008 at 4:34pm

Proto-Tacoma Cartoonists Society

People on the Move

Frustrated by the Pro/Am Seattle-based CARTOONISTS NORTHWEST, a selct few...  a tiny group of tacoma-based cartoonists has decided to SPLINTER !   

Announcing:

The Radial Splinter Group of the Cartoonists Northwest... 

THE TACOMA CARTOONISTS SOCIETY


proto-logo

{ note: this is only a place holder logo }




Eventually we will need a quiet meeting place open weekday evenings somewhere in Tacoma.  Someday I imagine robes and mystical hats. 

Anyhow as these proto-plans are ultra top secret and I risk excommunication by leaking this info at such an early stage, I must contain my excitement.


Making Art vs. Making Art Up™






comments [23]  |  posted under art, cartoonists, media, secret society, tacoma

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by Erik on 9/20/2008 @ 8:33pm
The world awaits.

by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2008 @ 9:33pm
a world of fez, secret hand shakes, decoder-rings, membership cards, award ceremonies, 24hr comic book events, media pranks, hoaxes, clandestine meetings...

again i've said to much!

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/20/2008 @ 10:33pm
Making Art vs. Making Art Up...

That sounds like a great name for a gay comic strip.

Episode 1. Art discovers his mother's make-up kit and shows it to his "friend" from the school Geography Club.

by ElectricElliot on 9/20/2008 @ 11:46pm
Muhahaha the world is ours!!!

@Mofo: Since when does homosexuality imply crossdressing and why would either be funny? That does not fly in my book.

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/21/2008 @ 12:30am
Who says comic strips have to be funny?

I haven't read your book on homosexuality and crossdressing.

by marumaruyopparai on 9/21/2008 @ 12:31pm
@EE: I think one of the greatest fallacies to stem from the LGBTQ rights movements (and yes equal rights are important) is this notion that people's sexuality, especially if different from heterosexuality is no longer open season for being made fun of. Sexuality IS funny and SHOULD be made fun of, no matter what your orientation.

What people need to be weary of is intolerance and hate-speech, that's the path to the darkside. Some people, comedians and cartoonists, make their living off of poking fun at what makes other people different, that's just freedom of speech at work. Franky, I think RR would have to close up shop with his Tacomics if people's differences (which include differences in opinion) were no longer open season.

Also, while the claim can't be made that everyone who cross-dresses is gay, the arguement can be made I think that there CAN be an association there at times.

That said, I don't think Mofo's post on it's face can in any way be considered either discriminatory or hateful towards anyone. Comics are often art imitating life, and homosexuality and crossdressing are indisputably a part of some people's lives. (also, Mofo's post was clever, and it made me grin).

*whew* amen

by NineInchNachos on 9/21/2008 @ 4:30pm
there are tons of gay comics... there are tons of unfunny comics. there are unfunny gay comics... and there are funny gay comics...



look at a fantagraphics catalog sometime. in the universe of comics, every niche market has a comic strip devoted to that niche.

If you find your niche then you can make big money.

The Tacoma Cartoonists Society is devoted to making money, not artâ„¢

Mofo's just feels left out as i believe he has always wanted to belong to a secret fraternal order (if I recall the Pythian temple thread on exit 133).

by marumaruyopparai on 9/21/2008 @ 5:38pm
That looks hilarious.

by ElectricElliot on 9/21/2008 @ 6:25pm
@Mofo/marumar...:

I do believe Mofo was trying to use homosexuality as a joke, suggesting that homosexuality (being different) is inherently funny. I way too often see jokes at the expense of homosexuality for it simply being an outlier from the norm.

This is what the joke looks like it's saying to me:

Art is funny because he's gay and likes to wear makeup.

Ha ha ha, gay people like to experiment with makeup.

Yes, there IS a FALSE stereotype that all homosexuals take on more feminine persona and do more feminine things such as crossdressing. This is of course false.

Yes, sexuality is funny. Not in the "ha, ha, ha, you're gay" sort of way but in the Larry Craig sort of way. The humor there is A. the hypocrisy. B. the great lengths he goes to hide his sexuality (wide stance, etc.). But to suggest that there's humor because he's gay...

Let's turn the tables and try out your joke with heterosexuality instead.

---That sounds like a great name for a STRAIGHT comic strip.

Episode 1. Art discovers his mother's make-up kit and shows it to his "friend" from the school Geography Club.

...doesn't really work the same way. Do straight people experiment with make up? Yeah. They do. But that doesn't really seem quite as funny.

Further straightified:

Episode 1. Art discovers his father's porn and shows it to his "friend" from the school Geography Club.

... I mean, that's kind of funny, because that's what straight kids do, right?

To me your joke seems like it's hitting people for a couple misguided thoughts.

1. That gays are inherently funny.
2. That homosexuality implies crossdressing.
3. The crossdressers are inherently funny.

I don't think any of those points are legit, which is why I have a problem with your joke.

I'll let RR speak for himself, but I don't think he ever attacks anyone for being who they are, just for their actions.

So if you're just attacking gays for being curious about makeup then my problem is that connection which is entirely bogus.

If you're attacking men for wearing women's clothing, I think you haven't been around enough transvestites to understand that these people don't really see that as a joke, but representations of their identity.

If you're using the action of crossdressing as a joke, and were to omit the homosexuality part, I could see that you weren't attacking people but the action (the merit of attacking that particular action being still somewhat debatable.) If that's what you're doing I apologize for accusing you of attacking homosexuals and crossdressers.


REGARDLESS OF ALL OF THAT, I know you intended nothing negative and WERE just trying to joke around.

If you don't understand what I'm saying and/or think I misinterpreted something, please let me know.

We're not here to battle, but to grow.

by NineInchNachos on 9/21/2008 @ 8:13pm
Ms. Darcy and I often wear each others underpants.

because...



we're lazy about doing laundry?

by ElectricElliot on 9/21/2008 @ 10:05pm
Just call me the comedy police ;)

by marumaruyopparai on 9/21/2008 @ 11:09pm
We're not here to battle, but to grow.-EE
Fundamentally, lest civil discourse would be difficult.

I constantly fret over the seemingly ever more sacrosanct nature of politically correct discourse. It seems to be an unwritten rule book concerning what one is or is not aloud to say in public. It's almost as though political correctness reinforces stereotypes because: anytime the tenets of PCness are violated, we have to isolate some cross-section of our culture to identify who it was that was discriminated against and who ought to be offended. It's like the new first ammendment in some circles- "say whatever you want, just not this, this or this."

To conflate cross-dressing with homosexuality is silly, or Rudy Giuliani really is a homosexual. But, there are some male gays who seem to exude effeminate characteristics. So, do straight guys do that? Sure, metrosexuality, beyond even that, I'm sure there's plenty of effeminate straight guys.

So, the offensive part is conflating cross-dressing with homosexuality. Very well, but I find this silly, not offensive. And silly stuff is okay to laugh at, cartoons and comics are full of all kinds of weird stereotypes and fallacy, and so are people's words. I like to use stereotypical gay humor with my gay friends because it's funny, not because I think they're funny. Maybe I'm out of line, but my point would be don't too carefully scrutinize the small stuff, we should all be able to laugh at ourselves and the stereotypes (though they may be fallacious) that we fall into.

That said, I do see your point EE. Though we differ I hope I've at least clarified my position.

Now that I've done my part diverting the comment thread as far from RR's orginial topic as may be possible, my work is done here.

by scout on 9/21/2008 @ 11:42pm
My cat, who is a boy, likes to dress up and draw cartoons. Sometimes he dresses up as a girl cat and sometimes as a boy cat. He is very worried now because he is not sure what, if anything, this means, and in particular, what, if anything, you guys are talking about.

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/22/2008 @ 12:36am
scout, what I'm about to say may not be politically correct (and that's a good thing) but I have to give this to you straight: Your cat is an attention whore.

by scout on 9/22/2008 @ 7:53am
Mofo,

My cat said to tell you that he's not proud of it but he loves it when you talk dirty

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/22/2008 @ 8:02am
I was just repeating what my 300 pound canary told me.

by scout on 9/22/2008 @ 8:27am
;-)

by NineInchNachos on 9/22/2008 @ 7:13pm
ewww get a room you two!


seriously though Scout.... Mofo...

I can see it.

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/22/2008 @ 7:30pm
This is all just one ongoing stupendous improvisational cartoon.


by scout on 9/22/2008 @ 8:30pm
NIN:

The cat says he's not that easy

by Dave_L on 9/22/2008 @ 9:05pm
Eventually we will need a quiet meeting place open weekday evenings somewhere in Tacoma. Someday I imagine robes and mystical hats.

I know just the place.

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/22/2008 @ 9:22pm
"The cat says he's not that easy"

scout, don't make me go Electric Elliot on you!

by scout on 9/23/2008 @ 7:53am
"Someday I imagine robes and mystical hats."

I have some good hats and the raw talent to make many, many more......

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