Oct. 27, 2008 at 11:17pm
from the exit133 forum...
Calling all agnostics, atheists, skeptics, freethinkers, and brights!
Our 50-member Tacoma Atheists group meets once a month in downtown Tacoma. Our next meetup will be held on Sunday, Nov. 2. If you are an Agnostic, Atheist, Skeptic, Freethinker, Bright, or simply questioning religion, spirituality or the supernatural, and long for a positive community with a yummy Sunday breakfast gathering to be a part of, join us!
In our monthly meetings, we have casual, low-key conversations about atheism, and we discuss opportunities to perform community volunteer and charity work.
If you would like to be a part of this, we welcome and accept all. Our group includes representatives from many faiths. Our emphasis is, of course, on non-belief and the separation of church and state, but all are welcome.
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by izenmania on 10/28/2008 @ 1:21am
|Is that William Blake? Feels like him...|
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/28/2008 @ 7:44am
|Let me know when the club presents a lecture series on Immanuel Kant and his criticism of metaphysics.
By the way, has anyone ever seen an atom?
by dawntown on 10/28/2008 @ 11:20am
|Is this in lieu of the Cartoonist Society?
Torn, absolutely torn...
by Erik on 10/28/2008 @ 11:27am
|Our 50-member Tacoma Atheists group meets once a month in downtown Tacoma. Our next meetup will be held on Sunday, Nov. 2.|
Nice. But that means one still has to go to a meeting on Sunday with other people. Might was well just go to church, they have better buildings!
Why the heck would people gather to talk about what they don't believe in? There seems like some kind of logical flaw there.
Is this in lieu of the Cartoonist Society?
It might be the same group there Dawn.
I think I would like Atheists more if they were not so religious in their beliefs.
by NineInchNachos on 10/28/2008 @ 12:33pm
| RR Anderson (or the secret cartoonist society some say may or may not exist) is in no way affiliated to Tacoma Atheists.
I simply reposed an interesting exit 133 forum post as an intellectual curiosity.
that being said anyone catch this BBC podcast on the topic of Dante's THE DIVINE COMEDY? I found it highly engaging.
by chrism39 on 10/28/2008 @ 3:28pm
|Might as well just go to church, they have better buildings, guess what some people don't believe in God and maybe they want to get together and talk about it because in the general population admitting that you are a nonbeliever will get you dirty looks or people trying to convert you.
If this was a post inviting people to a new church you would not ask those people why they would want to go to church would you?
Freedom of religion or lack of religion.
by NineInchNachos on 10/28/2008 @ 3:29pm
|Winthrop's City upon a Hill, 1630
Now the only way to avoide this shipwracke and to provide for our posterity is to follow the Counsell of Micah, to doe Justly, to love mercy, to walke humbly with our God, for this end, wee must be knitt together in this worke as one man, wee must entertaine each other in brotherly Affeccion, wee must be willing to abridge our selves of our superfluities, for the supply of others necessities, wee must uphold a familiar Commerce together in all meekenes, gentlenes, patience and liberallity, wee must delight in eache other, make others Condicions our owne rejoyce together, mourne together, labour, and suffer together, allwayes haveing before our eyes our Commission and Community in the worke, our Community as members of the same body, soe shall wee keepe the unitie of the spirit in the bond of peace, the Lord will be our God and delight to dwell among us, as his owne people and will commaund a blessing upon us in all our wayes, soe that wee shall see much more of his wisdome power goodnes and truthe then formerly wee have beene acquainted with, wee shall finde that the God of Israell is among us, when tenn of us shall be able to resist a thousand of our enemies, when hee shall make us a prayse and glory, that men shall say of succeeding plantacions: the lord make it like that of New England: for wee must Consider that wee shall be as a Citty upon a Hill, the eies of all people are uppon us; soe that if wee shall deale falsely with our god in this worke wee have undertaken and soe cause him to withdrawe his present help from us, wee shall be made a story and a byword through the world, wee shall open the mouthes of enemies to speake evill of the wayes of god and all professours for Gods sake; wee shall shame the faces of many of gods worthy servants, and cause theire prayers to be turned into Cursses upon us till wee be consumed out of the good land whether wee are a goeing: And to shutt upp this discourse with that exhortacion of Moses that faithfull servant of the Lord in his last farewell to Israell Deut. 30. Beloved there is now sett before us life, and good, deathe and evill in that wee are Commaunded this day to love the Lord our God, and to love one another to walke in his wayes and to keepe his Commaundements and his Ordinance, and his lawes, and the Articles of our Covenant with him that wee may live and be multiplyed, and that the Lord our God may blesse us in the land whether wee goe to possesse it: But if our heartes shall turne away soe that wee will not obey, but shall be seduced and worshipp other Gods our pleasures, and proffitts, and serve them, it is propounded unto us this day, wee shall surely perishe out of the good Land whether wee passe over this vast Sea to possesse it; Therefore lett us choose life, that wee, and our Seede, may live; by obeyeing his voyce, and cleaveing to him, for hee is our life, and our prosperity.
by chrism39 on 10/28/2008 @ 4:12pm
|I guess myself and other non believers will perish out of the good land, I can handle that.|
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/28/2008 @ 5:38pm
|"In our monthly meetings, we have casual, low-key conversations about atheism..."
How so? There's no basis for meaning or value judgements.
by NineInchNachos on 10/28/2008 @ 7:01pm
|value judgments? don't need no stinking value judgments.
by marumaruyopparai on 10/28/2008 @ 9:44pm
Atomic theory is based on empirical evidence gleaned from scientific inquiry into the nature and behavior of matter. Hypotheses are floated, experiments are conducted, phenomena observed, and conclusions drawn from the collected data. From this process models are created to explain findings. If the model explaining some phenomenon holds up under intense and wide spread scientific investigation and enough compelling evidence is published in support of the hypothesis in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals eventually that hypothesis may become a theory. The theory is not regarded as fact, simply the best description of some phenomenon available that stands up to scientific inquiry and presumably does not violate Occam's Razor. No, I've never seen an atom, but I'm familiar with some of the the theories out there in support of its existence. I haven't seen God either, but I'm familiar with some of the hypotheses concerning His/Her existence. But the real question is WILL they find the sought after Higgs boson and synthesize a unified theory of EVERYTHING? Who knows!? Stay tuned. So sayeth the all powerful, all knowing WIKI-GOD.
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/28/2008 @ 11:04pm
|Albert Camus is the man behind that Seattle homosexual newspaper "The Stranger"?
Thanks for that BBC link. Far more interesting than "The Stranger" could ever pray to be.
Anyway, this Tacoma Aetheists club and its website looks intriguing. I'll presume that the Bible is not recognized as an authority on the existence of a creator; special revelation is invalid as proof of a transcendent reality. However, I will presume, as acceptable to the TA, that natural revelation, things in nature, the phenomena that surrounds us, is valid evidence of all that is and ever has been or will be. What can be experienced through the senses in our everyday lives, the spacial and temporal context, is the ultimate reality.
So, it seems that with this understanding that an unbridgeable chasm separates this natural world from the supernatural world. We can do away with the Bible and its claim of redemptive power. Also, supernatural revelations as proclaimed by the Bible have no relevance to today, they were never true, because in reality we have no access to the realm of the sacred from this secular or natural world realm.
Given that, could men as cognitive, rational, scientific beings study nature and discover reoccurring patterns and then discern natural laws? Likewise, could men study political and economic history and discover reoccurring patterns and then discern universal and necessary truths for civilization?
In other words, couldn't we look at what is and what has been and then bridge the chasm from the known to the unknown; move from purely logical considerations to some claims of fact.
There is a newspaper for homosexuals called "The Stranger." There are people who claim to be homosexuals. Therefore, "The Stranger" and homosexuals are a universal and necessary truth for civilization.
There is a guidebook for mankind called the Bible. There are people who claim to be the mankind described in the Bible. Therefore the Bible and the mankind described in it is a universal and necessary truth for civilization.
There may be a place in the Tacoma Aetheists for someone like me. I seriously doubt on the basis of rational theoretical thought or natural laws that "The Stranger" is a universal and necessary truth for civilization.
by marumaruyopparai on 10/28/2008 @ 11:46pm
|In other words, couldn't we look at what is and what has been and then bridge the chasm from the known to the unknown; move from purely logical considerations to some claims of fact
Certainly, to claims, nothing more. As a conscientious observer/inquirer you may make claims concerning you're interpretations of what the facts may or may not be. It's up to critically discerning observers/listeners to embrace or refute such claims based on evidence, judgement/reasoning or a leap of faith.
by marumaruyopparai on 10/29/2008 @ 12:21am
|Somebody should have taught that Winthrop guy how to spell, what a jerk, that was really hard to read.|
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/29/2008 @ 10:18am
|Claim 1: Civilization requires a transcendent, ultimate basis for ethics. Without objective standards for righteousness and justice, civilization will descend into a state of irrationality and disorder; rule by opinion and personal preference. The Bible and God are a universal and necessary truth for civilization.
Claim 2: The Bible and God are a universal and necessary truth for civilization. Belief in this truth requires faith founded on facts. On the basis of rational theoretical thought, natural laws, and human history, the truth of the Bible and God is sufficient.
by fredo on 10/29/2008 @ 1:16pm
|Those people who leave the little comic books in your mailbox with pictures of lions, volcanoes, lightning bolts, sharp toothed serpents and apocalyptic imagery give me the creeps.|
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/29/2008 @ 2:47pm
|Fredo, most of the mail carriers that I've met are actually pretty friendly folks.|
by Dmitri on 10/29/2008 @ 5:07pm
|I reject and resent the idea that religion is a requirement for ethical behavior. I know plenty of bible-spouting people who have no compassion, and no sense of right and wrong. I know plenty of non-believers who always default to doing the right thing.|
When I act inappropriately, I have trouble sleeping, not because I believe that God is going to punish me, but because I subscribe to the idea that the world and society work better when people act ethically and with compassion.
I figure I can't expect that from others unless I attempt to be the best person I can be. That's our social contract.
I don't dismiss anyone else's belief system, but it's infuriating to be told I'm incapable of being a good person unless I believe in your specific god.
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/29/2008 @ 6:50pm
|Dmitri, I agree with you that one can acknowledge another's belief system and yet still hold on to their own personal convictions.
For example, I understand that a sector of the population believes that homosexuality is a valid belief system. I don't because there is no basis to qualify it as a standard of rational behavior. It promotes confusion, frustration, and conflict. I acknowledge that homosexuality exists but I have no obligation to celebrate a belief system that it is detrimental to civilization.
Likewise I understand that a sector of the population believes that Christianity is a valid belief system.
Without the second system, Christianity, there is no objective standard for right and wrong. God is the moral law giver. Eliminate God and you eliminate the distinction between right and wrong.
Homosexuals rally to pass laws to force public schools to teach 5-year olds the homosexual belief system. A man can marry a man. A woman can marry a woman.
Perfectly healthy, perfectly normal?
I don't believe that the world is a better place without the Christian standards of right and wrong. In fact it is not. And a fact is true whether I believe it is true or not.
by NineInchNachos on 10/29/2008 @ 7:05pm
I found the intellectual puritan 'god's english' of 1630 a refreshing example of evolution/mutation/degradation
How exciting it would be to spell Wee in 1630 with an extra 'e' !
by NineInchNachos on 10/29/2008 @ 7:08pm
|also for the record. I personally believe the fate of men is controlled by a whole PANTHEON of GODS. we mortals are simple playthings of unknowable celestial beings. |
I know. I ride the bus. I I know the cruelty they exact on the less fortunate classes.
by chrism39 on 10/29/2008 @ 9:05pm
|Mofo, you have demonstrated my frustration with Christians, the complete lack of tolerance for others. Guess what, homosexuality is not a choice. Why would anyone want to choose to be ridiculed and tormented.
And as far as God being the moral law what about all the buddists, hindus, muslims are they without morals?
by ensie on 10/29/2008 @ 10:03pm
Homosexuals rally to pass laws to force public schools to teach 5-year olds the homosexual belief system. A man can marry a man. A woman can marry a woman.
Perfectly healthy, perfectly normal?
Teaching our children about sex roles - note: this is not "sex education" in the traditional sense - in public school should be normal. In this day and age they see same sex couples, many of them have classmates that have same sex couple parents, and often have questions.
Our public schools system does not show a bias to one religious system or another, including Christianity, nor are they supposed to use religion as a moral standard for teaching. Gay relationships - which have been designated as normal by the APA, the AMA, and any other number of other respected organizations, should absolutely be brought up.
If you want Christianity to be used as a basis for teaching in school, you need to choose a private institution that uses that in its charter. Until then, I'll lobby on the side of the "conflicted, frustrated, and confused" homosexuals.
I'm going to go on record stating that the reason that so many gays have those feelings is due to people who have invalidated their feelings and their chosen or desired life, told them their feelings are a phase, and encouraged them not to trust themselves. The "Christian" organizations that work to turn people "straight" have an extremely high failure rate and often create more problems than they solve.
ChrisM - MoFo has tolerance. Lots and lots of tolerance. That's a word for holding your nose while you deal with people you can't stand. It's a bullshit buzzword that gets thrown around a lot. I want better than tolerance.
by NineInchNachos on 10/29/2008 @ 11:09pm
|I think these comments collectively illustrate the gayness inherit in any theology.
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/30/2008 @ 6:26am
|Chrism39, every other religion that you mentioned has intolerances for others.
Ensie, I acknowledge that you think the government is God and that the government should guide your life.
By the way, children are innocent. From conception.
by chrism39 on 10/30/2008 @ 7:56am
|Good point Ensie. You can always say what I want to say, just better.|
by TacomaAtheist on 10/30/2008 @ 9:12am
|Hi there everyone!
I'm the one who posted that listing to Exit133. I'm the organizer of Tacoma Atheists. First things first, I don't know who posted the William Blake thing (I like Blake, but it wasn't something I would have picked... I would have picked some AbEx or something), second of all, we actually have had some Kanitan discussions, third of all, it's a nice alternative to church, so you don't have to go nap, and there is food and other stuff (come to the dark side, we have pie and beer!).
We do other things, some not on Sundays, like bowling, and movie nights. You're all more than welcome to stop by and join us.
Find out more here: www.meetup.com/tacomaatheists/
And PLEASE, since you all have such good minds, join us on the Tacoma Atheists forum at forum.tacomaatheist.com/
Your friendly neighborhood Atheists
by ensie on 10/30/2008 @ 6:12pm
If you want to insult me instead of focus on my argument that's fine. You don't want to acknowledge the reality of the fact that someone can be both a Christian and a lesbian, that's also fine. I've made peace with God.
I'll assume you don't have a good counter argument and that's why you've chosen not to respond?
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/30/2008 @ 10:41pm
|Hey ensie, the act of insulting people doesn't interest me (and that's assuming I could insult someone if I tried).
A woman can be both a Christian and a lesbian. True. The question is whether that woman is truly interested in redemption and renewing her mind by building a Christian conscience. That is accomplished by daily reading the word of God; maybe a paragraph or a page daily. Or listening to Bible teachers on the radio, or on the internet, or recorded CD's or MP3 downloads. Christian ministers usually recommend church attendance on the thought that community support provides encouragement for all parties. But overall the Christian life requires a lot of discipline; both physical and mental. It's a matter of replacing one passion with another passion. It is not about living like a medieval monk; an ascetic that shuns everything worldly, and vows to live a life of poverty. The goal is to acquire wisdom. Wisdom is acquired by studying and learning to understand the text of the Bible. Many people have made that their lifetime passion. Few people know that it's a directive from God. The surprise that many people discover is that by committing oneself to the truth of the Bible, one will develop an inner confidence and peace. Once committed to the truth, one cannot be intimidated. No God, no peace. Know God, know peace.
But suppose the woman who is both a Christian and lesbian promoted a homosexual agenda, for example, intending to misinform the conscience a child with homosexual values---that act is anti-Christian. The Bible states very clearly the actions which are transgressions against God.
At this point I want to address your statement regarding the normality of homosexuality and the justification for promoting the practice to juveniles in public schools: "Gay relationships - which have been designated as normal by the APA, the AMA, and any other number of other respected organizations, should absolutely be brought up." That imperative has no merit for a Christian. Christians do not determine what is right and wrong on the grounds of what everyone else is doing. The standards by which things are evaluated are the divine principles of the Bible. It is a contradiction in thought and action to claim to be a Christian and a lesbian and then promote a homosexual agenda.
Christianty is about living according to reason, to rationality, to Biblical ethics. There is a trendy saying that goes like this:
"Be what you are." It's an unusual combination of imperative and indicative. It merges ethics (ought-ness) with morality (is-ness; what people actually do). In an everyday life filled with trials and temptations, if you just "be what you are" then you will be less than God wants you to be.
by ensie on 10/31/2008 @ 12:00am
Your very specific definitions of what exactly someone who is a Christian should do daily to maintain their "Christian-ness" makes me laugh. It smacks of the Catholic argument that entrance to Heaven is based on Works vs. Faith. You've managed to break it down to a very nice bumper-sticker. The problem with this is that you have a limited number of people who fall into this type of Christianity.
Breaking down the discipline argument is simple. If you love God, you will strive to do what God asks to please Him (as you likely would for anyone you love).
How Christianity views homosexuality is a highly controversial discussion. There are a number of scholars who do not believe that homosexuality is forbidden in the Bible. There are others who feel it may have been listed as something that was misinterpreted as a banned item incorrectly, and even more that think that it may have been banned with a number of items that we no longer consider "unclean" (i.e. shellfish).
You are correct that Christians do not live according to what others are doing. However, we do use the standards of certain organizations that are not specifically Christian to judge what is safe or what may be best for us. Ever heard of the FDA or the EPA (granted, both don't have the best of reputations, but still) to name a couple?
I greatly disagree that Christianity is about living according to reason and rationality. Jesus did irrational things all the time. He refused to tell straight-forward stories (instead relying on parables),encouraged people to leave their families and their belongings to follow a homeless man who claimed he was the son of God, lectured money lenders in the temple as a 10 year old...
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/31/2008 @ 8:00am
|Thank you ensie. Starting with your last statement about Jesus: A person needs to decide whether they think Jesus was a liar, a lunatic, or Lord. If Jesus is God, then by definition he is a perfect being. Any act to deceive people and commit evil would disqualify him as the Ultimate Authority.|
by ensie on 10/31/2008 @ 7:06pm
|Sorry, I should have phrased that differently. While Jesus is indeed the son of God, I maintain my argument that his actions certainly didn't seem the most reasonable or understandable. While he never attempt to deceive or trick anyone that I am aware of, his ultimate goal can often be misunderstood, even to those who were closest to him while he walked the Earth.|
My statement "[he] encouraged people to leave their families and their belongings to follow a homeless man who claimed he was the son of God" may make it seem as though I view Jesus as a wacky dude who ran around screaming that he was the son of God. To clarify, I do not. But to the disciples who left everything behind to follow Jesus and preach his message, Jesus was one of many so-called prophets who claimed to be the son of God. Their faith and devotion to a simple man who was also Lord was amazing.
by Mofo from the Hood on 10/31/2008 @ 9:20pm
| "...I maintain my argument that his actions certainly didn't seem the most reasonable or understandable."
I imagine that's what every great person of faith said throughout the Bible: Abraham, Job, Joshuah, Daniel, Ruth, Mary, the mother of Jesus, Jesus, and Paul among others.
I would classify Paul as the second greatest person in history. In fact, his Letter to the Romans addresses your comment about "faith not works," among other important teachings such as your comment about why one should seek to please God.
Dr. James Boice, a Presbyterian minister, has an ongoing radio and internet program featuring Paul's Letter to the Romans. His radio show is featured Sunday's at 8:30am on station KGNW 820 AM. The website for the station offers a program guide with links to many radio ministries. I also recommend Alistair Begg, John MacArthur, Albert Mohler, and R.C. Sproul.
Now, here's my personal anecdote. It's been over five years now since the night when I woke up around 2:30am and switched on the radio on the bedside table. I was restless and scanned the radio dial back and forth, finally stopping on 820AM. I don't remember which radio minister it was, possibly Charles Stanley, but the guy was talking with such conviction that I had to listen---partly, I suppose, because my personal life was going through a chaotic phase and partly because the guy was expressing the Christian values in a way that I hadn't really heard before. Now, I'll be the first to admit that I'm no saint and I haven't attended church on a regular basis since I was a kid. But as the saying goes, "you don't find God, God finds you." I have to admit that sometimes those radio ministers were saying things that are so different from the popular media that I've often turned the radio down, or off, when another person came near.
Ensie, I hope you read this before 10:30 tonight. There's a program on KGNW 820AM at 10:30 called "Watchman on the Wall." You'll need to wear a seatbelt.
by Mofo from the Hood on 11/1/2008 @ 6:58am
|There's another counter-group to the Tacoma Aetheists that I recommend considering, and it goes by my unofficial name, the Catholic Club. It's similar to the Protestant Club I noted above, and the language sounds familiar but different in the way a Tacoma accent is distinguishable from an Mobile, Alabama accent.
The CC has a website at EWTN.com. That's the Global Catholic Network. The local radio affiliate is 1050AM. The radio schedule is listed at ewtn.com/radio/schedule.htm. One of the most forceful 20th Century Catholic thinkers is featured at 3am, and I'm referring to Archbishop Fulton Sheen.
EWTN.com is a pretty comprehensive resource for the Catholic viewpoint. Likewise, KGNW.com offers a wide range of resources for the Protestant viewpoint. So, whether a person is interested in learning about the arguments for the existence of God, or hearing and learning Bible exegesis, or hearing the contempory Christian viewpoint on world-events, then take the time to explore these two resources.
by Mofo from the Hood on 11/1/2008 @ 11:41am
|Addendum to 6:58am comment:
24 hours of free MP3 audio of Archbishop Fulton Sheen is available at www.bishopsheen.excerptsofinri.com. I recommend starting with the program "Philosophy of Life."
This is the same series I noted above which can heard on the radio at 4am (not 3am, which I first noted) on station 1050AM.
by ensie on 11/1/2008 @ 7:51pm
|As I stated, I've made my peace with God, and you make the assumption that I don't attend my own church and don't have my own regular spiritual path that I follow. In addition, my father is an elder in a Baptist church, and both of my parents teach Sunday School. I grew up attending a Presbyterian and a Baptist church.
I appreciate the additional resources, and may check them out, but if they automatically invalidate the reasonable and correct path for my life, which I have found with a lot of prayer and soul searching, the path which God has laid out for me - I don't have a lot of reasons to keep listening.
MoFo, I do want to applaud you. There are a lot of Christians who are unrelenting in their constant scolding, finger-wagging, and shaming of others. Many Christians tend to believe this is the best way to spread the Word, as the Bible instructs us to do. I find this extremely tiring, but you keep things above the belt, and I appreciate it.
by Mofo from the Hood on 11/1/2008 @ 10:38pm
|Thank you ensie. If you've had the advantage of Christian teaching when you were a child then you probably understand human nature more than most. The resources that I offered are just my way of making a general contribution to anyone who may want to explore a traditional and viable world-view. I think it's an advantageous world-view that succeeding generations of children should receive.|
by godfree on 11/2/2008 @ 9:48am
Responding to you is a waste of time because you have been brainwashed. Your powers of rational thinking have been compromised because you take the secondhand, mistranslated, allegorical literature of bronze age tent dwellers as literal fact.
First off, have you read the whole chapter of Leviticus? If you want the 'lie with another man' bit to be God's everlasting law, you'd better not forget the rest of the chapter. Better trim the fat from the liver and place it on the blood-sprinkled altar, because all the fat is God's, and the smell of it burning is most pleasing to him (God likes barbecue- clearly I am made in his image). And no more shellfish! Unclean! Unclean!!
As for your question, has anyone ever seen an atom? I get it. We can't see atoms, we take them on faith, on our faith in science. God is also invisible, just like atoms! Wow. What an argument.
Can you see gravity? No! Do you have mountains of indirect evidence of its existence? Yes! Can you see water condense or evaporate with your naked eye? No! Guess they don't exist either.
Do we have proof of atoms? Gee, I don't know. Did you notice what we did to Hiroshima? That evidence sure beats any steaming load of camel dookie wrapped up in old scrolls in some jar in a desert cave.
Now excuse me while I go offer some unleavened bread on that altar (God hates yeast)
mofo...is that a Christian name BTW?
by Mofo from the Hood on 11/2/2008 @ 11:03am
|(1) "mofo, Responding to you is a waste of time because you have been brainwashed."
godfree, why should anyone listen to you? First you say that responding to me is a waste of time and then you continue on for 7 paragraphs.
Perfectly healthy, perfectly normal?
(2) "Your powers of rational thinking have been compromised because you take the secondhand, mistranslated, allegorical literature of bronze age tent dwellers as literal fact."
First off godfree, on what basis do you make the claim that ancient texts of the Bible written in Hebrew or Greek have been mistranslated ? Are you a Hebrew or Greek scholar that has personally examined the source ancient texts? Is it true that every Bible transcribed from the source texts is mistranslated? Until now the whole history of mankind has been deceived by generations of evil or inept scholars?
(3) "First off, have you read the whole chapter of Leviticus?"
Yes I've read the whole book of Leviticus. It's part of the Hebrew Scriptures known as the Old Covenant, which was superceded by the Apostolic Scriptures known also as the New Covenant.
(4) "Do we have proof of atoms? Gee, I don't know. Did you notice what we did to Hiroshima?"
No, I didn't notice what we did to Hiroshima. I wasn't born yet. What are you saying? You were at Hiroshima and everything written about the supposed event is true?
by NineInchNachos on 11/2/2008 @ 12:51pm
|kevin can we add the Tacoma Atheists feed to feed tacoma? There is some good stuff here...
by Mofo from the Hood on 11/3/2008 @ 7:19am
|FACT: God has a sense of humor. He created Aetheists.|
by Mofo from the Hood on 11/3/2008 @ 9:46am
|Oops! I credited the godless with more "visible matter" than is necessary. Should have said at 7:19am "atheists."|
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