TDI -- Reporter's Blog

Sep. 27, 2010 at 3:35pm

From Fuzhou To Tacoma

Pavilion arrives at Chinese Reconciliation Park

I received a phone call last week from Chinese Reconciliation Foundation Project board member Larry Hosley letting me know that a pavilion (or "ting") constructed in Fuzhou, China was recently shipped some 8,700 miles overseas to Tacoma, where it will be assembled on the waterfront park site over the next four-to-five weeks. On the way to the office this morning, I stopped by the park and shot this (not-so-great, I confess) photograph of the fog-enveloped pavilion under construction . . .

The park aims to commemorate the events of Nov. 3, 1885, when a group of Tacoma officials forced more than 200 Chinese people from their homes and businesses and out of the city. For more info on the pavilion, as well as Tacoma Daily Index coverage of the project dating back to 2005, click here.

Hosley also told me the organization is planning an event on Oct. 30 entitled "Walk for Reconciliation" to mark the 125th anniversary of the Tacoma expulsion. Participants will march from Union Station in downtown Tacoma to the Chinese Reconciliation Park.

comments [110]  |  posted under Chinese Reconciliation Park, Tacoma


by Erik on 9/27/2010 @ 3:47pm

Tacomans have been waiting so long for this project to be completed and be open to the public. Seeing it sit there for years partially completed is sad.

by NineInchNachos on 9/27/2010 @ 4:00pm

by fredo on 9/27/2010 @ 4:14pm
Acknowledge the wrong? yes

Dwell on it? no

by Erik on 9/27/2010 @ 4:19pm
The people of Tacoma want to know when it will open.

by fredo on 9/27/2010 @ 4:32pm
"Seeing it sit there for years partially completed is sad."

Sad...perhaps. The partial completion of the project is a graphic reminder that today's generation doesn't feel responsible for the wrong nor do very many people wish to contribute to the cause. Yes, it was wrong but a simple engraved marker would have conveyed the same message and been consistant with the dismal results of the fund drive.

by NSHDscott on 9/27/2010 @ 10:13pm
Hey, I agree with both of yous. I'd like to know when it'll open, but not because I feel some need to apologize for my city unfairly kicking 200 people out of town 125 years ago. Sheesh! It wasn't some holocaust (thank god) just a matter of being jerks to the uncool kids way, way before I could bear the slightest bit of guilt about it.

I just want to occasionally visit a cool Chinese-themed park every now and then. And I'll chip in a few bucks a year in property taxes (that I can deduct on my federal taxes) to fund it. But that's it, sorry.

by NineInchNachos on 9/27/2010 @ 11:36pm
when you constantly have to remind the internet about how much you don't feel guilty about angry old white people driving out hundreds of hard-working immigrant people from their homes under threat of terror/violence... there has got to be some kind of subconscious guilt feelings gnawing away inside your mind... you know... kinda like how republicans who vocally oppose giving equal rights to gay people are the ones who end up having the wide stance in airport bathrooms.

by fredo on 9/28/2010 @ 7:42am
" there has got to be some kind of subconscious guilt feelings gnawing away inside your mind.." nachos.

Doubtful...I stated that a small affordable marker would have been OK.

This park stands, not as a testament to the wrongs done to the chinese, but as a testament to the power of the left wing apologists to shakedown the taxpayers. Who were the principal beneficiaries of the millions of tax dollars spent on some landscaping?

by ixia on 9/28/2010 @ 8:46am
The expression of an apology through a memorial park is not a right wing or left wing idea. The expression of anger at such a park speaks of a cold cold mind not willing to see the wrongs of the past � an attitude that allows for similar wrongs to be committed again. That is why the current generation is obligated to commemorate. Of all the things money buys, I prefer parks over bombs or political ads.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 9/28/2010 @ 11:27am
The right wing reserves the right to run whomever they choose out of town. No sense in making memorials to those you run out of town when there are still plenty of people to run out of town.

by fredo on 9/28/2010 @ 11:55am
"The expression of anger at such a park speaks of a cold cold mind not willing to see the wrongs of the past" Ixia

Nobody expressed any anger at the park. The city provided the space for the park and the non-profit developers were supposed to raise the funds. The non-profit failed to raise the funds and dumped the obligation back on the taxpayers. Whether the cause being memorialized was worthy of commemoration or not, you can't argue that the taxpayers were treated fairly, nor can you argue that a large number of people feel that a reconcilation park is a good idea. The fund raising efforts went on for years and didn't generate squat.

Regarding the city's decision to spend funds on the reconcilation park instead of spending it on "bombs or political ads" what does this mean? Are these things that Tacoma has been spending tax money on?

by NineInchNachos on 9/28/2010 @ 12:07pm
you can't argue that some political ads don't bomb.

' free your glee'
' saved you a spot'

by ixia on 9/28/2010 @ 12:21pm
"This park stands.... as a testament to the power of the left wing apologists"
Sounds like another angry rant to me.
If it was said with a kind heart, fredo, I gladly am an apologist. It beats the power of pride.

by ixia on 9/28/2010 @ 12:26pm
We took a walk through the park last night. The artwork is surprising, moving and stunning. The vistas are incredible. There are plenty of peaceful spaces to rest and enjoy. The tide pool under the bridge is gorgeous. I adore the red rock. I can't wait for the 'ting' to be done. All in all one of my top favorite spots in Tacoma. Another piece in the water front connection. It makes me very happy.
Go out and enjoy!

by NineInchNachos on 9/28/2010 @ 12:33pm
it is a very cool park

by fredo on 9/28/2010 @ 12:35pm
So it's OK with you Ixia if the city spends money it doesn't have to bail out a failed non profit? Say didn't we just do that with the MLK Housing Authority last year?

by ixia on 9/28/2010 @ 12:42pm
A very cool park indeed. I also love the new pedestrian bridge down by chambers creek. It is such a thrill to have access to the beach now.

by ROBO-CALL on 9/28/2010 @ 2:38pm

by cisserosmiley on 9/28/2010 @ 5:14pm
If you want to save parks get in your cars everyone and drive to downtown and park in a pay spot (or move your car to a pay spot if you live dt)-with more driving and parking we'll make our city great!

by TDI-Reporters-Notebook on 10/29/2010 @ 2:39pm
Update: The city is scheduled to vote Nov. 2 on an additional $350K for the project . . .

by fredo on 10/29/2010 @ 2:51pm
"Update: The city is scheduled to vote Nov. 2 on an additional $350K for the project . . ." money to fill vacancies at the police department but plenty to allocate to finish the park that the non profit organization dropped the ball on.

Mayor Strickland's leadership at it's very finest.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/29/2010 @ 4:19pm
Perhaps there is no money to fill vacancies at the police department but we will be filling the pothole of our city's soul.

by fredo on 10/29/2010 @ 4:39pm
Tacomans with a "pothole" in their soul have had 15 years to donate to the cause...and nobody did. Apparently there is no pothole in our cities soul. Another crisis manufactured to fit the mayor's unarticulated agenda.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/29/2010 @ 4:51pm
This is hole that can only be filled by the people of Tacoma through their elected officials. A small price to be paid for the suffering endured by the Chinese.

by NineInchNachos on 10/29/2010 @ 5:00pm
good karma is priceless

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/29/2010 @ 5:29pm
This is our collective shame:

"About 200 Chinese remained on the morning of November 3. Several hundred men, led by the MAYOR and other CITY OFFICIALS, evicted the Chinese from their homes, corralled them at 7th Street and Pacific Avenue, marched them to the railway station at Lakeview, and forced them aboard the morning train to Portland, Oregon. The next day two Chinese settlements were burned to the ground."

It was the mayor and city official that brought this upon us so many years ago. It is the work of our current mayor and city officials that will cleanse us of this terrible chapter in our collective history.

Our current mayor is not our problem, there is a mayor from 125 years ago that is our problem. Want to be upset at anyone be upset at him. Mayor Strickland should be commended for taking this bold action to fill this hole in the soul of Tacoma.

by fredo on 10/29/2010 @ 5:36pm
I would think that a reconciliation that was the result of the generous outpourings of individual contributors who were personally touched by the plight of the chinese would be more meaningful and provide better karma than a payment conscripted from unwilling taxpayers.

Do you suppose the Chinese will feel fully reconciled when they learn that few Tacomans contributed even a dime to the park?

by Urban E on 10/29/2010 @ 10:00pm
I assume you mean like as in new tax paying citizens of Tacoma? I had that same thought today when I saw that they need the another $350k from the money to keep the supension of my ride getting the crap beat out of it...

by fredo on 10/29/2010 @ 10:07pm
Hey Hey
Ho Ho
Stricklands agenda
Has got to go

Almost everybody cares about the city streets.
Almost nobody cares about Chinese Reconciliation.

So guess which item receives funding?

by fredo on 10/30/2010 @ 7:34am
Urban E, you obviously have been hanging around Responsibility Bear too much.

You could use a visit from Reconciliation Bear. His message is simple! You should continually apologize and march around in a spirit of self-loathing for something you didn't do to people you didn't do it to. Got it?

Can't believe people would still complain about the impassibility of the city streets when they could use that time productively...reconciling!

by fredo on 2/13/2011 @ 8:08am
Reconciliation Pavillion update:

"The present, however, has turned into an expensive proposition for the City of Tacoma. City leaders originally planned to spend $100,000 to lay the pavilion’s concrete pad and cover other installation costs. By the time the structure is done, the pavilion might well cost the city $700,000."

Read more:

The building was just a trojan horse "gift" designed to wreck our city budget and bring a general economic malaise to our area as a payback for the wrongs our forefathers committed. Since the building was planned we've lost the Russell Company, Morpho Systems, Nalley Foods, the History Museum (planned) and multimillion dollar damages to OCH and Urban Waters.

by TDI-Reporters-Notebook on 2/13/2011 @ 9:36am
Decision delayed on additional funds for Chinese Reconciliation Park (Feb. 11, 2011)

City could spend additional $250K for Chinese Reconciliation Park (Feb. 7, 2011)

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/13/2011 @ 9:57am
What was the Great Recession really like Grandpa?

by scout on 2/13/2011 @ 2:16pm
Tacoma officials haven't changed much regarding businesses

by dolly varden on 2/13/2011 @ 7:36pm
I just want to see the park fully open this summer so people can finally enjoy it.

by Jesse on 2/13/2011 @ 7:51pm

by fredo on 2/13/2011 @ 8:00pm
I hope the Pavilion will feature a large digital billboard with messages of reconciliation. Wouldn't it be good to see 21st century technology put to good use trying to reconcile the hurt feelings of the 19th century Chinese who were driven out of town (assuming some of them are still alive)?

by NineInchNachos on 2/14/2011 @ 8:55am
people of the Red States can visit LeMay museum...
people o the Blue States can visit the CRP.

It's a win win for Tacoma!

by The Jinxmedic on 2/14/2011 @ 10:34am
Why must you see color like that? Can't we all just GET ALONG?

by fredo on 2/14/2011 @ 10:49am
The people who pay to see the old cars are those who really like old cars.

The people who visit CRP may or may not have any interest in reconciliation or even an awareness of the historical event. They may see the red roof and think its a Pizza Hut.

by NineInchNachos on 2/14/2011 @ 11:43am
meet the $600 K DaVita Reconciliation Park-inglot

by TDI-Reporters-Notebook on 2/14/2011 @ 11:45am
Tacoma City Council OK's contract for Sauro's site parking project downtown (Feb. 9, 2011)

by NineInchNachos on 2/14/2011 @ 12:13pm
I love that Daily Index is keeping a record of council comments. That said Councilmember Victoria Woodards has to be the biggest tool ever.

Jake Fey should know better. It is really a shame we couldn't have gotten rid of him via state legislature.

by smeall on 2/14/2011 @ 12:36pm

by NineInchNachos on 2/14/2011 @ 12:53pm
"City Manager Eric Anderson outlined some of the caveats associated with using the money to develop the site. According to the report (published verbatim here):

-- Developers would not be able to use the $700,000 grant because State funds cannot be used for a private purpose. The Washington State Constitution prohibits the lending of public credit for private gain. The Governor's Strategic Reserve Fund is to be used for publicly-owned infrastructure needed to assure job retention or creation"

So one of the rules about using this money is that it cant be for private companies. So City Council votes to approve a $600,000 dollar parkinglot because they gave their word and promised to use state money to build a parking lot for a private company

by fredo on 2/14/2011 @ 1:47pm
Glad I'm not the only one who finds the workings of the Tacoma City Council a bit puzzling.

by ixia on 2/14/2011 @ 3:10pm
Time after time after time Eric Anderson wants parking lots and meters and the city caves. The parking obsession is insane and outright insulting. Perhaps other important issues are too tough to tackle, so Anderson keeps doing parking ad nauseam. At this point the council should lay hands off absolutely EVERYTHING downtown. They have created emptiness and one disaster after another.
Just wait until they are done tearing down old buildings in the brewery district. Let me guess – there will be surface parking lots, and plenty of them.
I want to like the council, I really do. With one BS decision after another, it’s hard to want to be involved anymore at all.

by fredo on 2/14/2011 @ 3:26pm
ixia, agreed.

by tacoma1 on 2/14/2011 @ 10:25pm
I'm sure that Wright Park, Wapato Park, and Pt Defiance Park were all extremely expensive to build in their day. I'm betting that some of our forefathers even wrote letters to the editor in protest about the waste of their tax dollars at the time. Personally, I can't think of how Tacoma would look today without these parks. I'm glad that our forefathers had the foresight to set aside these areas, and spend their money to create these beautiful city parks.

History isn't always pretty, and the fact that this park will exist as a statement of reconcilliation for the illegal actions of our early city leaders adds a special meaning to this park.

Beyond that, this park (like most parks) one can only fully experience the beauty of it, if visited on foot, exploring it inch by inch. Viewing the Pagoda while driving past at 50mph but not stopping to walk and linger would be a shame. IMO of course.

by fredo on 2/14/2011 @ 10:38pm
there's a difference between Wright Park, Wapato, Pt. Defiance and the new Reconciliation Park.

The first three parks were designed and funded by the taxpayers of their time.

But CRP was designed and was supposed to be funded by donations, though the city allowed the park to be built on public land. The taxpayers were not supposed to be involved in this project. At least this is my understanding. The issue before us isn't "will the park be beautiful" but rather "should the city allow non-profit organizations to launch park projects on city land without adequate funding or a completion bond?"

by fredo on 2/14/2011 @ 10:48pm
The irony of Reconciliation Park is that even though there was plenty of time for people to donate to the park in an expression of sorrow or guilt, after 20 years almost nobody did! Apparently the vast majority of people living today feel no guilt nor any need for reconciliation. The funding for the park is provided by the government, apparently to save face, or as some sort of favor to the non-profit. The sign in front of the park may say RECONCILIATION, but Fredo knows the truth. There is no spirit of reconciliation, its a phony contrivance.

by NineInchNachos on 2/15/2011 @ 12:00am
Fredo. Reconciliation comes from within. Let go of your hate and you will be a happier old man.

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/15/2011 @ 6:26am
For God's sake. Can't you all understand that this memorial commemorates humans sent on a free train ride to Portland, Oregon against their will.

And now, over 100 years later a strategic alliance has exploited a vulnerable and ignorant Tacoma population to subjugation by forced taxation.

Isn't it beautiful?

by tacoma1 on 2/15/2011 @ 6:57am
I'm ok with my tax dollars going towards making Tacoma more beautiful.

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/15/2011 @ 7:25am
I'm okay with making Tacoma more beautiful as long as the effort doesn't undermine the Western tradition, the foundation of our heritage.

by fredo on 2/15/2011 @ 7:31am
"I'm OK with my tax dollars going towards making Tacoma more beautiful" tacoma1

What are you willing to give up so that the city council will have these dollars available?

Right now it looks like the funds are going to come from money earmarked to put in ADA improvements along Alaska Street. Why does everyone hate disabled people? Let go of your hate and you'll all be happier people.

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/15/2011 @ 7:34am
Why does everyone hate Tacoma?

by The Jinxmedic on 2/15/2011 @ 9:55am
Why does everyone hate the hate-haters that hate the hated hate?

by fredo on 2/15/2011 @ 12:06pm
When disabled people are stuck in traffic trying to cross Alaska street or tipped over in a ditch crying out for help, I hope they will remember that the ADA ramps Tacoma gave up were for a good cause, the beautification of Tacoma.

Don't worry, Diabled Tacomans! In another 140 years the Tacomans of the future will recognize the wrong that was done to you and probably put in a Handicapped Reconciliation Park to atone for the mistake.

by NineInchNachos on 2/15/2011 @ 12:10pm
I think the Disabled Tacomans will be more upset with the slash and burn to Pierce Transit service no?

by fredo on 2/15/2011 @ 12:18pm
Doubt if a handicapped person who can't cross Alaska Street is going to hold Pierce Transit responsible, but maybe if he is also suffering from a learning disorder like we frequently see on feedtacoma, it's possible.

by NineInchNachos on 2/15/2011 @ 12:51pm
awe, I don't think you guys have learning disorders... I think you just need hugs. Are we not men, and brothers?

by The Jinxmedic on 2/15/2011 @ 12:56pm
Are we not men? We are TaGRo.

By the way, Pierce Transit was getting a slash-and-burn whether the proposition passed or not. Now the can blame the voters, rather than mismanagement.

by cisserosmiley on 2/15/2011 @ 1:02pm

by fredo on 2/15/2011 @ 8:00pm
OK to close our libraries and inconvenience our handicapped citizens as long as we get that reconciliation pavilion.

Wasn't it supposed to be a gift?

Kind of like those book of the month clubs. The books are free as long as you agree to pay a $19.95 "handling" fee.

by jenyum on 2/15/2011 @ 9:08pm

“What I was most concerned about was funding being removed (from another project) without explanation,” Councilman Ryan Mello said today.

Councilman Marty Campbell, who asked for the delay, said he was caught off guard by the requested diversion of funds from the SR 509 project, in part because he was on the verge of asking the Puyallup Nation to contribute significantly to the very same project....

Before tonight’s council meeting, Walker told her fellow council members she hoped for a quick approval of the construction funding.

“I think it’s time to vote this thing forward and to have a moment of silence afterward,” she said.

I am experiencing a strange, Fredo-like sensation emanating from my forehead after reading this... I think I need to observe a moment of silence or something.

good grief.

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/15/2011 @ 9:10pm
Round-eyed people are inferior.

by Erik on 2/15/2011 @ 9:18pm
@Jenyum: I see where you are coming from. I am so sick of seeing the friggin fence still around the place. Gald it is going to be completed and open to the public and hopefully soon.

I didn't quite catch which project they took the funds from.

by jenyum on 2/15/2011 @ 9:52pm

Based upon the overruns identified above, the Public Works Department requested an additional $250,000. Grant match money was identified for the SR-509 slip ramp project to fund
the remaining amount. The SR-509 slip ramp project has not received any grant monies and it is not expected to be awarded for several more years. Rather than continuing to earmark these
funds for this project, these funds were proposed tei be used for the completion of the Ting.

The funding is currently proposed as follows:
Funding Source | Dollar Amount
PW General Fund-2009/2010 biennium | $ 200,000
Open Space Fund-2010 | $ 150,000
Grant Match SR-S09 Slip Ramps | $ 250,000

Background on Slip Ramp project:

The "slip ramps" would be from SR 509 to East D street. I don't really know the ramifications of having them/not having them, I can understand wanting to know more about that before voting to take money away from them.

by fredo on 2/15/2011 @ 9:59pm
Thanks for the details Jenyum. You've illustrated an interesting situation at city hall.

When the city wants to fund some pet project like electric cars or whatever instead of something needed in the city they always defend it by saying "it's in the budget" like its some sort of ironclad determination. But as soon it's in the council's interest to alter a previous budget decision as they did tonight...its no big deal.

by NineInchNachos on 2/16/2011 @ 7:59am
Just pull down the damn fence! PARK is DONE!

by NineInchNachos on 2/16/2011 @ 8:00am
apparently KOMO has stolen away exit133's city hall coverage...

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/16/2011 @ 8:14am
This whole thing is just weird.

by NineInchNachos on 2/16/2011 @ 8:15am
Anyhow. wow. I had no idea you could dip into the yet-to-be-built highway money. It is a shame we can't just forget the highway all-together and use the money to keep the library open.

by NineInchNachos on 2/16/2011 @ 8:23am
People need to ask themselves. What has a conceptual slip ramp done for ME lately?

by captiveyak on 2/16/2011 @ 9:14am
i have an irrelevant, out-moded and self-important opinion about this topic.

by NineInchNachos on 2/16/2011 @ 9:41am
hey, you can't 'go meta' that's rude.

by NineInchNachos on 2/16/2011 @ 9:44am
- "Ting"
- sobbing council people
- Eric Anderson last minute surprise funding

Tacomic ideas please!

by captiveyak on 2/16/2011 @ 9:46am
Just show the Chinese people being forced out of town, with the mayor saying, "Let's not question this anymore."

by fredo on 2/16/2011 @ 9:49am
Tacomic idea:

1880-City council runs chinese out of town
2011-Taxpayers run city council out of town

by fredo on 2/16/2011 @ 9:53am
Tacomic idea:

Complex Chinese characters mounted on the pavilion are finally deciphered:

"How To Serve Tacomans" ITS A COOKBOOK!!

by NineInchNachos on 2/16/2011 @ 10:44am
dude. Captiveyak should be a cartoonist.

by cisserosmiley on 2/16/2011 @ 11:39am
have tacoma police round up portland and seattle chinese populations and reconcile them

by NineInchNachos on 2/16/2011 @ 1:05pm
"Their schedule assumed that the City's contractor would work 12 to 15 hours/day, seven days a week and did not take into consideration inclement weather, cultural and communication differences, construction methodologies, weatherization requirements, and building and seismic code requirements. With the exception of the stone column work and the assembly of the timber structure, all major items of work such as the stone masonry, construction of the ridge beams, and the tile roof took longer than originally anticipated and the cost to construct increased respectively."

by fredo on 2/16/2011 @ 1:19pm
Of course Clement Bros. construction company is going to work as deliberately (i.e. slowly) as possible. The city has already told them they would pay for the labor. I'd be surprised if the new appropriation of $250K will be sufficient. I'll bet in a few months there will be another tearful appeal for more.

And why didn't Eric Anderson review the Fuzhou construction schedule before accepting the gift? It would have been easy to see the hours and volunteer characteristic of the scheduling. And to blame the inclement weather and cultural differences for the cost overruns, that was all foreseeable.

Nobody wanted to hurt our sister city's feelings so we agreed to accept what is turning out to be a trojan horse.

by NineInchNachos on 2/16/2011 @ 1:28pm
15 hours/day, seven days a week minimal safety requirements... sounds like a Utopian Fredo City colony

by captiveyak on 2/16/2011 @ 1:30pm
Didn't a structural engineer from Pierce County take a look at this before it was approved? At least? As long as engineers can make more money without having to wait in line for a non-competitive, ridiculously-difficult-to-secure job in government. crap like this is going to happen pretty frequently.

by fredo on 2/16/2011 @ 2:05pm
"15 hours/day, seven days a week minimal safety requirements"

That information was provided by the city of Fuzhou before the pavilion was shipped. Anderson could have reviewed this information and made an honest attempt to convert the chinese construction requirements to American, but apparently he chose not to.

Maybe it's time to gift the city of Fuzhou some hopelessly complex and mystifying construction materials and see what they can make of it.

by cisserosmiley on 2/16/2011 @ 2:09pm
before the chinese gov burns all our satelites, effectively crippling the us military, they will weeken our infrastructures by sending resolutionless puzzle construction projects we have to finish to keep from being rude.

by captiveyak on 2/16/2011 @ 2:28pm
what use is a weakend US to the Chinese? There's nothing to conquer here except a bunch of people who can't produce anything useful, prefer to resolve differences through violence, do not value education and have a preference for cheap luxury. They'd spend more effort trying to make this country worth a crap than they are trying to keep us in a consumer economy. There's no logical incentive to weaken us. Except spite, perhaps.

by NineInchNachos on 2/16/2011 @ 2:47pm
CaptiveYak is correct. Uncle Sam and the Great Panda are linked by a series of pubic hair death grips.

May this park serve a dual purpose as a metaphorical finger-trap reminder of mutually assured economic destruction.

by cisserosmiley on 2/16/2011 @ 3:02pm
you guys think so's simply to educate us about their superiority

by NineInchNachos on 2/16/2011 @ 3:29pm
America spends more on it's military than the next top 14 countries combined and you think a gazebo covered in nail polish is some kind of commentary on American Exceptionalism?

by cisserosmiley on 2/16/2011 @ 3:35pm
no, it is a commentary on chinese exeptionalism and how the american psychy intergrates that into dollars and might

by captiveyak on 2/16/2011 @ 3:39pm
Some things are just what they seem to be, right? Like, nice gestures and sub-par management?

by cisserosmiley on 2/16/2011 @ 3:40pm

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/16/2011 @ 6:57pm
Agreed. Some ideas are stupid.

by acmcchesney on 2/21/2011 @ 12:24pm
@ fredo: Clements Bros. are doing the best they could under the circumstances. The city's requirements and expectations were unrealistic to say the least. They weren't actually going to put up the pagoda until they found out it had already been shipped from China. Clem Bros. undoubtedly wants to be able to move on from this project just as much as you all want it completed. Having an open project with a long and uncertain future is a difficult undertaking for a construction company as small as they are. Working slow intentionally is not and never will be in their vocabulary.

by fredo on 2/21/2011 @ 12:35pm
The city could have and should have politely declined the "gift."
I'm not really blaming Clement Bros as much as the City Manager.

What if, stay with me here, instead of a Pagoda, the city of Fuzhou had given us a Pagoda complex which was 100 times as elaborate. Would the city be on the hook for $70,000,000.00 (700K x 100)? would we have to lay off our entire police and fire departments so that we didn't hurt the Fuzhou feelings?

by NineInchNachos on 2/21/2011 @ 1:12pm
Maybe it is time the Fredo meme apologizes to the honest working men and women of Clements Bros.


by fredo on 2/21/2011 @ 1:17pm
" The city's requirements and expectations were unrealistic to say the least" acmcchesney

could you summarize the unrealistic requirements and expectations?

by L.S.Erhardt on 2/21/2011 @ 2:39pm
A gift is a gift, why decline it? Having a good international relationship shouldn't be thrown under the bus for $700k. Tacoma could easily find that money by no longer hiring Jay-Ray for anything.

by L.S.Erhardt on 2/21/2011 @ 2:50pm

But here is a thought. Seattle gets $2,800,000,000+ dollars for a big hole in the ground. As long as we're all bankrupting the state worse, why not try to wring a couple hundred thousand out of Olympia? Just tell the guv how "politically correct" the project is, and voila! The monies somehow get found. Amazing!
That or we can fool them... Just put the word "Seattle" somewhere in the proposition to the state. It'll trigger their 206 filter and be automatically rubber-stamped. Win!

by fredo on 2/21/2011 @ 2:51pm
by Thorax O'Tool
on 2/21/2011 @ 2:39pm A gift is a gift, why decline it?

The obvious answer is we can't afford it. But it might help to find out just how high a gift acceptance fee thorax or any other commenter would be willing to have our city incur? If 700K is OK then how about 1M or perhaps 5M? What amount would trigger you to reject the gift?

RE: jay-ray...agreed

by fredo on 2/21/2011 @ 2:52pm
I think I see your point, how about this:

The Seattle Reconciliation Park: Ruston Way installation

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/21/2011 @ 8:53pm
If only Fuzhou had sent Tacoma a Hallmark Card with cash...

by L.S.Erhardt on 2/21/2011 @ 8:57pm
Might just work, actually. The half-wits we keep sending to Olympia appear to be blind to any words other than "Olympia", "Seattle", "Tax", "Entitlement", "Revenue" and "Political Correctness".

by smeall on 5/10/2011 @ 2:25pm
Can we change the name of the "chinese reconciliation project" to the "Chinese Invitation Project? Tacoma is losing population, has empty condos everywhere, & so many business spaces for China there are 1.3 billion people, we could give Chinese people a condo & a lease on a biz space if they would move to Tacoma.

by scout on 5/10/2011 @ 2:52pm
RR - stop making everything about Democrats and Republicans! It's a limited, overly simplistic shut-people-up-method of discussion that I think only alienates, at least me.

Republicans, Democrats they're all assholes. Changing people's minds doesn't have to always be a sarcastic polarizing exchange. You have your cartoons to do that and you are awesome in that format.

In discussions like this sometimes civil discourse based on facts works better and sometimes people just have to agree to disagree.

by NineInchNachos on 5/10/2011 @ 2:58pm
um... what are we talking about here? this is such an old thread i'm not sure the context..


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