cisserosmiley's Blog

Oct. 27, 2010 at 10:19am

27th leg-double dip retirement update

press conf brings clarity to fey/jinkins debate

can he really do this???

comments [68]  |  posted under 27th, democrat, fey, jinkins, retirement


by NineInchNachos on 10/27/2010 @ 10:33am
you should post the Utube embed code directly!

by cisserosmiley on 10/27/2010 @ 10:52am

your wish is my chore

by fredo on 10/27/2010 @ 11:03am
sweet, even down to the scrunching up his eyebrows to emphasize his statement.

by smeall on 10/27/2010 @ 11:42am
please vote for laurie jinkins, it's good for our community

by fredo on 10/27/2010 @ 11:52am
smeall, right.

I predict that a week from today Mr. Councilman Fey's star will begin fading and in just a few years he will be remembered, if he's remembered at all, as the double dipping Washington State University "edukator." Sorry Tacoma1, your boy is going down.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/27/2010 @ 12:00pm
How is it Jake has like two jobs and a retirement and some people don't have any? Surely there is a younger person that can do the job for them at WSU, say someone more in touch with the problems of our young people.

by fredo on 10/27/2010 @ 12:02pm
somebody who isn't so...bald

by NineInchNachos on 10/27/2010 @ 12:28pm
HEY! young people can be bald too. (got your back Kevin/Stowe)

by fredo on 10/27/2010 @ 12:32pm
the state retirement system was designed to provide people who were no longer working with some income AFTER they left their job.

i'll bet there were more than a few of Jake's co-workers who raised their eyebrows or shook their heads when they saw him come back to "work" 30 days after he "retired." this phony "retirement" is entirely unethical in my book.

Apparently Jake's skillset was superior in every respect to every one of the 15,000,000 unemployed people in our country. what are the chances?

by NineInchNachos on 10/27/2010 @ 12:46pm
dear cisserosmiley, as one gadfly to another...
the advantage to posting on a blog (as opposed to posting in the feed forum ala fredo) is that you can embed the actual you-tube video using copy/paste from youtube and the html view of feed tacoma. my next advice would be to load the BOTH the blog post title at AND your youtube video with 'jake fey' keywords etc. the goal is to get your video and this blog to show up in google searches when people are researching candidates online. Otherwise, these videos of yours are superb and I will continue to post them to my facebook/twitter/tacomics! WE'RE BECOMING LIKE A REAL CITY! !!

by Maria on 10/27/2010 @ 1:11pm

As Juvenal said, "It is difficult not to write satire." And that certainly becomes more apparent every year around election time.

I'd love to have seen Mr. Fey with a double-shot macchiato in one hand and a KFC Double Down in the other. :P

by dolly varden on 10/27/2010 @ 1:16pm
Who wouldn't take the retirement they're legally entitled to?

Fey has been a great public servant for Tacoma, pushing for our innovative mixed use areas, transit, and energy efficiency. I don't care if somebody prefers Jinkins, but show some respect to Jake, who's dedicated much of his free-time to making Tacoma a better place in tangible ways. FeedTacoma is starting to resemble the TNT comments section.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/27/2010 @ 1:23pm
Greed is not something to respect. We are sending the wrong message to our children.

by NineInchNachos on 10/27/2010 @ 1:40pm
Imagine the potholes we could fill.... oh god varden is right!

by L.S.Erhardt on 10/27/2010 @ 1:41pm
People seem to forget that double/triple/quadruple dipping is the norm, as is working a TON of OT in your last few months to pad your retirement payment rate.

This is only the more reason I'm becoming more and more convinced that elected positions should be pro bono.

by smeall on 10/27/2010 @ 1:50pm
I endorse pro bono elected service.

by fredo on 10/27/2010 @ 1:56pm
"Who wouldn't take the retirement they're legally entitled to?" dolly

Someone who doesn't intend to retire and who values the public's favorable opinion, that's who. People who enter public life in a notorious way like Jake Fey certainly realize that their actions and behaviors are going to be closely scutinized. Would you have it otherwise? Jim Jones was a wonderful person... except for the Kool Aid thing

You know, in life we are not required to do everything we are legally entitled to. Did you know that you are legally entitled to spank your children?

by fredo on 10/27/2010 @ 2:02pm
"This is only the more reason I'm becoming more and more convinced that elected positions should be pro bono." Thorax

Once again thorax you've presented a wonderful idea.

I'm going to carry it a step further. If you are retired from a public sector job and your old supervisor wants you to come back for a few days or perhaps for a few hours because the new guy is having a little trouble making sense of the job I think you should be willing to come in and volunteer to assist without pay. That's not asking too much for people who are receiving pensions in excess of $60,000.00 per year. Where's your public spirit?

by cisserosmiley on 10/27/2010 @ 2:06pm
We could "off-set" retirement pay-just report your extra pay each month from an employer to the pension plan and they can minus your earned income from the retirement payment that month.

by fredo on 10/27/2010 @ 2:40pm
I'd like to hear Jake's response to your proposal, cissero. It certainly addresses my issues. Maybe Jake would be so impressed he would give back the hundreds of thousands in extra income he amassed from years of this double dipping.

by NineInchNachos on 10/27/2010 @ 2:56pm
the Tacomic calls upon Jake Fey to donate his retirement fund check to an islamic charity... at least for the remainder of the election cycle (you wont see that in a TNT comment)

by fredo on 10/27/2010 @ 3:28pm
How about this charity?

Osama bin Laden's 2010 Destroy America From Within By Creating a Pompous and Priviledged Class of Underworked and Overpaid Civic Leaders Telethon.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/27/2010 @ 3:35pm
How can anyone respect Fey when he has so much contempt for the tax payers?

by cisserosmiley on 10/27/2010 @ 4:50pm
I can't find a donate page for Fredo's Osama bin Laden charity but you could directly donate to the Jake Fey campaign.

by whosit2ya on 10/27/2010 @ 5:05pm
Don't feed the bears, they may bite you, read the sign. Fey said I want to be a bear, the voters won't mind. I'll roam city hall and the state house devouring all I find. It's ok the voters wont mind, I will take and take wherever it's at, do it for free,How is that liberty I could never do that I serve the people and that cant be vote for me and I will do the job or three as long as the pay is right, Tee Hee

by whosit2ya on 10/27/2010 @ 5:07pm
not my best prose but oh well

by fredo on 10/27/2010 @ 5:35pm
Whosit2ya that's funny

We're still waiting for the Pierce County Democratic Party to make a comment about last weeks "double-dipping" candidate revelation. Is this the type of employment arrangement that the Democratic party favors or not?

Undecided voters want to know. If they don't admonish Fey then I guess we know the answer. They endorse Greed.

by L.S.Erhardt on 10/27/2010 @ 6:25pm
They won't make a comment. Why would they bother addressing the concerns of the little people?

I have been saying this for many moons: the political parties and the politicians under their banners do not work for you and me. They work for themselves, their party and the highest bidder, err, I mean donor.

All politicians are the same, all parties are the same.
If that doesn't disgust you, you're probably one of them.

by dolly varden on 10/27/2010 @ 6:54pm
Oh no, not one of "them"! Since I don't hold office, I'm not someone who subjects themselves to being discussed like they're an inhuman, soulless what-have-you. But I sympathize when I see somebody like Fey, who's done tons of good for this community and played by the rules (and I agree the retirement rules could use some reform) in his non-elected job get reamed by people for a retirement system he played no role in creating and about which he's expressed openness to reforming. There are corrupt politicians, but it's completely loony to suggest that Fey is one of them.

by fredo on 10/27/2010 @ 7:15pm
If he can't distinguish that which is unethical from that which is illegal then he doesn't have enough sense to serve in the legislature. Only a clueless person would not realize that drawing a pension and a paycheck from the government would deprive one unemployed person from a job. Is Jake soulless what-have-you? I can't answer that question but I do know that when Jake looks in the mirror he sees someone who needs two paychecks, make that three paychecks. It doesn't mean he's corrupt. He just doesn't understand the concept of fairness.

If you like him vote for him. This is probably his last time on a ballot.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/27/2010 @ 7:40pm
St. Augustine said: "Lord, Make me chaste, but not yet", so long as Jake has his pension and the salary I'm sure he'll be happy to reform the pension system for the future.

by fredo on 10/27/2010 @ 7:58pm
Sort of like old Mr. Gates. Now that he's made his millions and his judgement day is approaching he wants to reform the tax system so rich people will pay more. I'm ready to get on a soap box like Fey and Gates and praise liberalism, just as soon as I put a few million dollars in an offshore bank account. These people are really hypocrites.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/27/2010 @ 9:50pm
Fey is different than Gates. Fey got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

by fredo on 10/28/2010 @ 8:13am
Here's an ironic quote from a campaign brochure we got last night:

"With unemployment rates hovering at record levels, everyone knows someone who has been affected by the economic downturn. Now more than ever, we need to elect leaders like Jake Fey."

I couldn't help but wonder, how is Jake Fey himself doing in this economic downturn?

by tacoma1 on 10/28/2010 @ 8:19am
Apparently I inadvertently stumbled on to a socialist rant blog.

Still the obvious fact is that when a public employee earns a pension, the tax payers are on the hook for the pension, plus the salary to fill that persons position (regardless of who replaces them). It's the same amount of money that will be spent whether the retiree is rehired, or crawls in to a cave to wither away.

Those that are unemployed or underemployed may be understandably resentful, but the math shows that 1 plus 1 still equals 2, regardless of who the 1 and 1 are.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/28/2010 @ 8:39am
I don't suspect that Fey's position would have been filled for as much money as he's getting. A younger person would be making significantly less as a new hire. Heck, with the state's budget the way it is the position might not have been filled at all. There is no way to justify the greed of Jake Fey.

by ixia on 10/28/2010 @ 8:53am
Of all the City council people who spoke out against the Arizona anti immigrant law, Jake Fey moved me the most. Sad to see all the rants against a decent person inhere. It's not like he is profiteering form Halliburton while sending the country into wars.
In the mean time, here is what happened in Arizona.
Thank you, Jake, for speaking out against Arizona inhumanity.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/28/2010 @ 9:05am
Talk is cheap, paying for a guy double dipping is not. A decent person doesn't double dip. A weasel, perhaps, but not a decent person.

by tacoma1 on 10/28/2010 @ 9:15am
I've hired and fired many people throughout my career, and I have found that hiring a young inexperienced person that requires alot of hand holding and mentoring by senior staff isn't any cheaper than hiring an old pro that requires no supervision, or on the job training. Plus, most HR folks will tell you that turnover in any business is a huge expense. The most productive folks at where I work, are all over 50. Neither experience or qualifications are four letter words.

The rants by most folks on this thread have nothing to do with qualifications of the candidates, but all about petty jealousy. It's an ugly emotion.

There is absolutely nothing imoral about earning a pension, and then continuing to work if that person is still able to be a productive member of society.

by NineInchNachos on 10/28/2010 @ 9:19am
if complaining about jake fey double dipping helps keep him in Tacoma on the council then by golly why not?

by fredo on 10/28/2010 @ 9:19am
Wow the Jake Fey apologists are up early this morning.

Why does Jake keep saying he's concerned about unemployment levels when he's helped create them by taking a job from some local out of work executive?

Why hasn't Jake spoken out against the practice of retire/rehire (double dipping) which harms employment levels?

What does Halliburton have to do with the topic under discussion? It's OK for Jake to rip off the taxpayers because other people do it too?

What does the fact that WSU would have to pay someone anyway (not an established fact, just a conclusion) have to do with the fact that a person who doesn't need the job was given it in preference to a person who probably really needs the job?

The bottom line is Jake knew this could create an image problem but greed caused him to become indifferent to the consequence. He's really in the same position as Senator John Kerry who kept his yacht moored in Providence RI rather than his home state of Massachusetts in a tax avoidance scheme. Kerry will always be remembered as the tax-dodger and Fey will always be remembered as the double dipper. No amount of time or scrubbing will remove this blemish from his record

"Out! damned spot" Shakespeare

by tacoma1 on 10/28/2010 @ 9:21am
Because envy and jealousy is imoral/ Legally earning a pension is not.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/28/2010 @ 9:33am
That is what Jake would like us to believe, tacoma1. I think the public can smell something rotten and no amount of tap dancing or name calling by the Fey camp will change that. Maybe Jake can "retire" again and get onto the Dancing with the Stars TV program.

Talking about name calling, fredo, I think tacoma1 called you a "socialist". Those Fey supporters are desperate. Sadly their support is fairly short term. The tax payers will be supporting Fey for the rest of his life.

by ixia on 10/28/2010 @ 9:37am
the Palin clan is already on that, crenshaw. The tea people are ahead in matters of greed and profiteering

by fredo on 10/28/2010 @ 9:38am
I can distinguish Jakes situation from the situation at your office tacoma1. The people working in your office aren't running for political office. Jake is trying to convince the voters that he possesses good judgment and would apply good judgement should he be elected. Yet, in his private life he is incapable of exercising good judgment. He's had several days to make a public statement to address this problem but has chosen to remain silent. He's basically conceding the election to Ms. Jinkins.

I haven't seen any envy or jealousy in any of the comments. I feel nothing but sympathy for Mr. Fey. He took a promising career path and threw it in the garbage.

by dolly varden on 10/28/2010 @ 9:42am
The taxpayers will be supporting Fey because he's worked in the public sector. Scandalous!

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/28/2010 @ 9:53am
There is no need for the Democrats to be playing catch up, ixia.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/28/2010 @ 9:57am
The tax payers expect Fey to be retired to collect his retirement, not to be double dipping. Apparently he wanted to have his cake and eat it too. I have no problem with the public employees retirement system. Except for people that abuse the system by double dipping. What Fey did is to abuse the system.

by ixia on 10/28/2010 @ 10:01am
You're right, crenshaw, we don't need to catch up. Just that tea folk criticism rings, well, hallow….

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/28/2010 @ 10:09am
I would hope that the tea people out their own double dippers. We have a state budget that is in serious trouble. We have a public employees retirement system that is in serious trouble. Fey has too much of a vested interest in his own greed to serve in our legislature with any objectivity. I have no love for tea baggery. I am for cleaning our own house and let Jake Fey be an object lesson for any other Democrats that would even think about scamming the system.

by fredo on 10/28/2010 @ 10:13am
Crenshaw I couldn't agree more.

If there are right wing activists of any sort who are double dipping I hereby condemn their actions and will post just as vigorously as I have about Jake. In all fairness however, Jake is running for public office. His behavior must be above reproach.

by tacoma1 on 10/28/2010 @ 10:19am
CS and fredo
You guys are seriously math challenged.

Just saying................. 1 + 1 = 2 no matter how often you do the math.

Your entire issue seems to be that one guy is getting too much. That is an assesment that seems to be solely based on the appearance that Fey is getting more than you are. Not on the qualifications of the candidate.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/28/2010 @ 10:30am
Apparently Jake Fey is not math challenged when it come to adding to his bank account. If he decided not to "retire" he'd be putting less money in his bank account. So he pretended to want to "retire" knowing he'd get that money and the money for doing his job. Most mortals work, they get a paycheck. At some point they stop working and collect a retirement check. They don't do both. Just because you can get away with it because it seems legal doesn't make it right. There is a difference between morality and legality. Something I expect my politicians to understand.

by tacoma1 on 10/28/2010 @ 10:42am
I didn't know we had a mandatory retirement age in this country. The philosophy of limiting ones income is akin to socialism. I'm a liberal minded person that doesn't believe in setting arbitrary limitations on people.

As to the candidates, I would be happy with either. My preference is Jake Fey for the environmental and transportation issues he is concerned with. Jinkin's issues are important too. All this nonsense about double dipping interferes with an important discussion of the actual issues at hand. The issues that the candidates will work on if elected.

by NineInchNachos on 10/28/2010 @ 11:10am
death panels!

by fredo on 10/28/2010 @ 11:18am
tacoma1, even you will admit that if Jake didn't double dip he'd have a better chance of winning the legislative office he seeks.

will you admit this or not?

by tacoma1 on 10/28/2010 @ 11:31am
I'm not a political strategist or pollster. I don't know how the average Tacoma voter will vote.

by cisserosmiley on 10/28/2010 @ 11:41am
I would like to point out retirement from public funding is "social insurance" it is not your private 401(k) or pesos buried in your back yard-it is simply a guarantee of X dollars if you are NOT working (it's like L&I or UNEMPLOYMENT). Not sexy, but that is kinda what public service is about). The idea of pulling a public sector retirement check and working in the private sector has been around for many decades, but the idea of pulling that public sector retirement check and working for that same place is new and wrong and that loophole probably will be closed soon. Why?

Simple: in the private sector everyones' 401(k) is crap and that cash in the mattress devalues with inflation...and Jake on the PERS1 is guaranteed (social insurance remember) his retirement check amount. So to collect on your merril lynch account is one thing, it is only worth what is there...Jake on the other hand is collecting a guanteed check even though that investment account is not performing. The backside of that "guarantee" is that it is ONE PER CUSTOMER!!! It is social insurance-NOT private investment and that is why all the defenders of this practice should re-examine their viewpoint.

by fredo on 10/28/2010 @ 11:53am
"I'm not a political strategist or pollster."

You don't need to be a political strategist to conclude that most people think retire/rehire double dippers are closely related to pond scum.

I'm sure Jake's "strategists" are preparing their hari-kiri knives even as we write.

by NineInchNachos on 10/28/2010 @ 12:05pm
picking your nose and eating it is legal; however, it is also considered very obnoxious in polite company.

by fredo on 10/28/2010 @ 1:56pm
Some 11th hour political strategy advice from Fredo for the Fey for legislature campaign.

Remember the old saying, "if life gives you lemons then make some lemonade?"

Well let's turn the double dipping into a positive, something like this:

Folks, I've been meaning to tell you about my double dipping for sometime but I've been so busy talking about the important issues of transit and Arizona's illegal laws that it plumb slipped my mind. The reason I've engaged in this double dipping wasn't for any personal gain, but rather to see if the system could be gamed. By learning how to game the system I can use this knowledge to advance the many important issues that I expect to find when I'm elected to the legislature. I will game the system in such a way that it benefits YOU the electors. My opponent Ms. Jinkins is woefully unskilled at gaming the system, I'm you're only choice.

by NineInchNachos on 10/28/2010 @ 4:56pm
why are seattle-based consultants putting words in poor jake fey's mouth?

at least fey isn't accusing jinkins of worshiping the aqua Buddha

by fredo on 10/28/2010 @ 5:41pm
"Fey, who estimated the mailer was sent to more than 1,000 residences in Northeast Tacoma, said the ad was simply meant as "a contrast piece."

Read more:

Well, it certainly was a contrast. The implications in the mailer were in sharp contrast to the truth. The people of the 27th know the truth, they have a perfectly acceptable liberal candidate in Laurie Jinkins who knows the ropes of government and doesn't stoop to Fey's childish campaign tactics. I like the way he defers comments to his handlers. What a class act.

by NineInchNachos on 10/28/2010 @ 5:54pm
as a Tacoma resident, Seattle consultants fill me with a slow-burning rage. Do we know anything about the seattle consultants? wouldn't it be funny if they also worked on PR for the Russel move north?

by NineInchNachos on 10/28/2010 @ 5:57pm
well i certainly don't think much of their direct mail skills


by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 10/28/2010 @ 11:34pm
I notice that Ryan Mello is on the list of people argo represents. Is he running for the city council seat he was appointed to? Just curious. I'm thinking I'd like to offer him a bit of advice to stay away from argo, they seem to give some bad advice to their clients like Jake Fey. Perhaps argo will help Jake get out of the double dipping mess. Some bright people these are.

by cisserosmiley on 11/2/2010 @ 5:52am
behind the scenes view of ryan mello working with Seattle consultants

by NineInchNachos on 11/2/2010 @ 8:05am
You're my hero Cissero!