Jun. 13, 2011 at 11:48am
waste connections getting more?
this article describes how jake fey is trying to get your garbage collections cut to twice a month (a great cost savings and pro environment plan) the problem is that savings are going to "...spend more money on recycling" THE PROBLEM: Waste Connections Inc. runs our recycling...
so WE get half as much garbage pickup and the cost savings is sent to a private corp. that has been sponsoring local politicians ad nauseum? NOTE THE SPONSORSHIP PLAQUE!
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by smeall on 6/13/2011 @ 12:17pm
|I told you guys about this trashy behavior during the 2010 election. Oh well, come see me and my art at sonford and sons on thursday ALL DAY 12-8.|
by NineInchNachos on 6/13/2011 @ 12:33pm
|hmm. cartoon ideas...|
by tacoma1 on 6/13/2011 @ 4:02pm
|Sounds like it could reduce costs for the city to me, thus help keeping our collection rates down. It could also save alot of fuel being burned and the corresponding CO2 emissions spewing into the air. Personally, I have no problem with companies making money if the byproduct is a cleaner environment for Tacoma.|
by Mofo from the Hood on 6/13/2011 @ 4:47pm
|Has Tacoma lost half of its productive population or has the number of dumpster divers increased twofold?...What's the "official" explanation? What's the political correct explanation? Above all, what's the truth?|
by dolly varden on 6/13/2011 @ 4:59pm
|Thank you Tacoma1, I was too busy to say the same thing earlier today. We're moving toward being able to put food waste in the yard waste, not in the trash, so our trash will decrease in quantity and smell. It's about time -- most other cities around here already do it that way.|
by NineInchNachos on 6/13/2011 @ 5:04pm
|cleaned out the freezer the other day.. imagining the turkey sitting in the garbage can for two weeks. we also have the smallest garbage can. wondering how it's going to work...|
by Erik on 6/13/2011 @ 5:10pm
|I think there are going to be some challenges with the proposal.|
However, it could be good in the end, and yes, more "green."
I want to see all of the pros and cons flushed out so to speak.
Some industry suggestions are good and others are bad. Let's weigh it on the merits.
Overall, Fey is a pretty good councilmember and one of the strongest anti digital billboard members on the council based on his statements to the NENC.
(One benefit might be that there would be fewer days with noisy garage trucks in the neighborhoods)
by cisserosmiley on 6/13/2011 @ 6:37pm
|my alley was paved a couple years ago and since a track of oil drops has devoloped with a concentration in front of each can...obviously so much drip from garbage trucks that it has become an artifact...but if it is cheaper for collections shouldn't our bills be reduced? it's OK if not, just sounds logical...|
by Mofo from the Hood on 6/13/2011 @ 6:46pm
|There are good reasons why garbage should be removed promptly from areas with people: Rats, mice, flies, maggots, germs, plagues...|
by NineInchNachos on 6/13/2011 @ 9:06pm
|What would Rob McKenna do?|
by tacoma1 on 6/13/2011 @ 9:28pm
|RM would make sure that the Bellevue fat cats are ok then he'd let T Town residents fend for themselves.|
by NineInchNachos on 6/13/2011 @ 9:31pm
|don't mess with my garbage collection! sometimes I forget to put the garbage out one week and it's bad news.|
by tacoma1 on 6/13/2011 @ 9:55pm
|Not to worry. As long as u forget to take out the trash every other week......,, your life won't change a bit and everything will work out just fine.|
by NineInchNachos on 6/13/2011 @ 10:03pm
|bad news. baaaaad|
by Mofo from the Hood on 6/13/2011 @ 11:30pm
|It amazes me that Tacoma doesn't experience frequent riots. The City Council is preparing to change a major health issue ordinance because it assumes (maybe rightly) that the citizens are brainwashed with "green" soap.
So what?, if the Tacoma landfill has reached capacity. So what?, if the County landfill will eventually reach capacity. There's actually a lot of open space in Washington to make another landfill. Yet the News Tribune article notes that the City and the County are negotiating new rules to control the behavior of the citizenry, including making the people increasingly pay for their bondage.
The anti-green revolution will not be televised.
by tacoma1 on 6/14/2011 @ 8:40am
|Of course we could all just continue throwing everything away, the city could buy a really big hole in the ground........way outta town...........we could then truck all of our tossed out recyclables in the big hole...........throw it all in till the hole is filled............then we buy anudder bigger hole.....farther away..........truck more recyclable crap even farther using bigger trucks with even more expensive fuel and fill that hole up........and on and on and on...............that would be a good idea, and cheap too.|
by Mofo from the Hood on 6/14/2011 @ 9:05am
|Where does government get the authority to coerce the will of the people through fear tactics?
If it is the duty of government to promote peace and security then how does it account for subjecting the citizenry to pay for living in filth?
by NineInchNachos on 6/14/2011 @ 9:07am
by NineInchNachos on 6/14/2011 @ 9:09am
|I don't want more landfills I want the services I paid for to pick up my animal carcases and spoiled meat. You can't put that shit in a compost pile. |
baby diapers... vagina pads...
maybe you don't have a family?
by tacoma1 on 6/14/2011 @ 9:17am
We as Tacoma citizens aren't compelled or coerced to use the garbage or recycling services the city provides. It is the mos convenient option but u are free to make other arrangements if u wish.
by Urban E on 6/14/2011 @ 9:25am
|That is not correct Tacoma1. It is a requirement when you have utility service in Tacoma that you have garbage service. It would be cheaper for me to drive my garbage to the dump myself but I would still have to pay for it at my residence. That seems pretty compelling or coerced to me.|
by NineInchNachos on 6/14/2011 @ 10:07am
|yeah Tacoma1, we see through your socialist agenda... with your socialism.. and stuff.|
by Nick on 6/14/2011 @ 10:17am
|So how exactly do the saved funds go toward recycling? Would it go towards paying for improved recycling service (either more frequent or more comprehensive)? Or are we talking about giving it away willy-nilly to a Sacramento-based out-of-state company?|
Personally I'd love to see a a straight-up swap between garbage and recycling. Make recycling every week and garbage every two weeks.
I find myself throwing recyclables into the trash because I run out of room. Why not make recycling the path of least resistance?
by NineInchNachos on 6/14/2011 @ 10:33am
|the longer the garbage sits in the alley, the more opportunity racoons will have to pick through it and keep material out of the land fill. This whole thing reads like a TRUE GRIT city arts cartoon.|
by tacoma1 on 6/14/2011 @ 10:52am
|I posted that useage wasn't mandatory or coerced. Now paying for it, that is another matter.|
by cisserosmiley on 6/14/2011 @ 11:20am
|there could be many ways to make less garbage and be sanitary...but i highly doubt citizens should take at face value the "good intentions" of waste connections inc. it is alarming...like having a parking lot construction co. advise us on what to do with vacant space in dt...waste connections inc. will always advise more recycling dollars paid for by the efforts of tacoma citizens - again a situation where tacoma leaders should find out what WE want an service us NOT try to social engineer a "better" class of citizen. damn it jake fey I AM GOOD AND I DON'T NEED LOSERS CHEATING MY CITY!!!|
by tacoma1 on 6/14/2011 @ 4:02pm
|NiN or Cissero|
Since u two seem to be the ones with the most objections to this, perhaps one of u actually has a better plan that would accomplish the following:
decrease the volume of garbage entering landfills
decrease fuel costs and emissions during collection
lower overall costs of collection and recycling
by NineInchNachos on 6/14/2011 @ 4:10pm
|My plan... start loading up those empty c-17 military cargo planes with American trash and start dropping it on Kdaffy|
by Joel 413 on 6/14/2011 @ 4:35pm
|I propose adding to the TAGRO system with a composting waste management facility. All garbage gets deposited at the facility, large recyclable items that went into the garbage are removed (ie bicycles, matresses, TVs, etc.) then the remaining garbage goes into a massive composting drum, where it is broken down and sterilized (temperatures in the composting bin rise to 400+ degrees) then the compost comes out and magnets and plastics are removed (safely as they have been sterilized in the composting process) The resulting compost is them added to the warehouse facility (like at the TAGRO plant) and allowed to continue to break down, being mixed with the biosolids and yardwaste compost, then to be used by Tacoma Citizens, or sold to local farmers on a much larger scale than TAGRO already is.|
by tacoma1 on 6/14/2011 @ 4:39pm
|That sounds like it might cost alot more to fly our trash to Libya than to recycle and truck it locally. Of course if You could get Norm Dicks to sneak it on to a defense appropriations bill, you can count on congress approving it as long as they thnk it's for the defense budget.|
by NineInchNachos on 6/14/2011 @ 5:02pm
|Yes we can use fife as a massive compost TAGRO area.|
by cisserosmiley on 6/14/2011 @ 5:49pm
|fill in the proctor gulch...the people who live in the "overlook rim" area have successfully live next to a landfill, why not proctor?|
by tacoma1 on 6/14/2011 @ 7:59pm
|The proctor gulch has a salmon spawning stream bed in it. Can't fill it in. Filling in fife is ok with me, but the puyallup tribe might object alittle bit.
I kinda like Nick and Joel's ideas.
by Joel 413 on 6/15/2011 @ 7:40am
|The one thing I didn't point out is that when they pull out the non-compostables after the composting process, you have clean/sterilized garbage, and a vast amount less. It takes up less space and is much cleaner too.|
by NineInchNachos on 6/15/2011 @ 8:19am
|I think I remember seeing that process on Tee Vee... there are cities doing that right now!|
by cisserosmiley on 6/15/2011 @ 11:00am
|thats sad tacoma1...there is no viable salmon run on the proctor gulch...and i only say that because it is true...|
by jenyum on 6/15/2011 @ 11:29am
|We had neighbors by our old house near the Buckley Gulch that had been using it for yard waste for years.
While I would not personally do this, I do in some ways blame the city as the huge street trees in that neighborhood drop significantly more leaves than twice monthly yard waste pick up can accommodate, and they won't take extra leaves even if neatly bagged and placed next to the yard waste container. Once all the yard waste bins in the neighborhood are full, people started taking matters into their own hands.
by Joel 413 on 6/15/2011 @ 11:54am
|@NIN I wrote a paper on the process in 1995, I was looking for a website or link to include, but I haven't been able to find one. It's a fascinating process!|
by NineInchNachos on 6/15/2011 @ 12:01pm
|last time Ms. Darcy and I explored the gulch there were dead spawned out salmon everywhere. Are you suggesting a staged spawning conspiracy?|
by tacoma1 on 6/15/2011 @ 1:35pm
|By "Proctor Gulch" I'm assuming your referring to the gulch that goes by Puget Park. There is a local group that is currently working on restoration of the salmon habitat.
by cisserosmiley on 6/15/2011 @ 1:51pm
|i think many are not accurate...that group is working on "puget creek park" which is the next gulch up
while there may be salmon at the bottom of the gulch that puget park sits in the middle of, it is not an upstream spawning environment...i say that because i grew up here and have never seen water under the proctor bridge...although this dude mike once saw a dead body from a guy who jumped...also the mason gulch (end of stevens) would be a good landfill for this new "clean" trash product
by NineInchNachos on 6/20/2011 @ 4:30pm
|reduced service rebranded as 'green' talking head on the RADIO
by dolly varden on 6/20/2011 @ 9:00pm
|Nice to see KUOW covering Tacoma. And good to see Tacoma taking actions to reduce its carbon footprint. I hope the council approves the pilot program.|
by NineInchNachos on 6/20/2011 @ 9:29pm
|ok so reading over the tnt article i'm okay with every other week pickup if the city provided me a garbage can twice as big... and a pail to put food waste in yardwaste bins. Also does this mean I can put pizza boxes in yardwaste like god intended ?|
by NineInchNachos on 7/11/2011 @ 8:48am
|more fuel for the conspiracy junkies (everyone here)
by cisserosmiley on 7/11/2011 @ 10:38am
|it is becoming overwhelming how waste connections inc. mcclatchy and jake fey have left their scents on one another???|
by NineInchNachos on 7/11/2011 @ 1:15pm
|let me know if this helps www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rCkEbzPY4A|